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Edinburger said:
If we know throwing a missile at a player will mean 5 points docked (for example) then how many Rangers fans will go to a Celtic match and throw a missile to disadvantage Celtic and help Rangers? It just won't work!
Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...
Well if the offending person is going to cost your team points, the fans could identify that person to the steward. If it turns out the person is a fan of a rival club then don’t take the points off or don’t suspend the players?Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...
I don’t think Scottish football has enough ‘can do’ attitudes anywhere in all honesty.
moanthebairns said:
You just did. You admitted songs are sung but (or it seems anyway) tried to play down the magnitude of it.
Tolerate it, I find it f
king hilarious (at times) that grown men have hatred to others due to their pathetic sky pixie beliefs. Especially when half of them would be hard pushed to remember the last time they set foot into a religious establishment.
But mainly it was an early kick off and I'd only had a pint. It was right outside the subway. I line their pockets going to away games.
What I can't stand is the look at us we aren't bigoted these aren't sectarian songs or it's only letting of steam for 90 minutes pish. If your going to be an ahole bigot at very least admit it.
Calm yourself down and stop accusing me of things I haven't said and NEVER get involved in.Tolerate it, I find it f
king hilarious (at times) that grown men have hatred to others due to their pathetic sky pixie beliefs. Especially when half of them would be hard pushed to remember the last time they set foot into a religious establishment.But mainly it was an early kick off and I'd only had a pint. It was right outside the subway. I line their pockets going to away games.
What I can't stand is the look at us we aren't bigoted these aren't sectarian songs or it's only letting of steam for 90 minutes pish. If your going to be an a
hole bigot at very least admit it. It's clearly not just one pint you've had tonight.
Driver101 said:
I'm not saying offensive songs aren't sung. They quite clearly are. However, a good percentage of people singing them don't have any real belief in them, and often no understanding.
If they weren't in their group/mob they wouldn't even dare speak or behave like they do when they are.
I've obviously taken it the wrong way so I apologise for that but it does read as sort of justification to the mass sing songs that happen every week.If they weren't in their group/mob they wouldn't even dare speak or behave like they do when they are.
Edinburger said:
Some good posts here, bairns.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
simoid said:
Taught about tolerance and inclusion in their catholic schools... 
Edinburger said:
Good point!
I may be interpreting this incorrectly. So are we saying that it is only catholic schools perpetuating this tribalism? Because if that is what you think then it's a pretty good example of why this issue still exists.https://twitter.com/PLZSoccer/status/1118197362172...
An ex-Ranger, Killie and head of the SFA opines about boycotting the league
An ex-Ranger, Killie and head of the SFA opines about boycotting the league
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
If we know throwing a missile at a player will mean 5 points docked (for example) then how many Rangers fans will go to a Celtic match and throw a missile to disadvantage Celtic and help Rangers? It just won't work!
Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...
Well if the offending person is going to cost your team points, the fans could identify that person to the steward. If it turns out the person is a fan of a rival club then don’t take the points off or don’t suspend the players?Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...
I don’t think Scottish football has enough ‘can do’ attitudes anywhere in all honesty.
Do you expect a judge to determine which team an offender supports?!
sas62 said:
Edinburger said:
Some good posts here, bairns.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
simoid said:
Taught about tolerance and inclusion in their catholic schools...
Edinburger said:
Good point!
I may be interpreting this incorrectly. So are we saying that it is only catholic schools perpetuating this tribalism? Because if that is what you think then it's a pretty good example of why this issue still exists.The fact that Scottish society still supports segregation at school age for children of different religions teaches children that some people are 'different'. That's part of the problem and that's what simoid pointed out.
Strocky said:
Edinburger said:
Good point!
Yep, bigotry isn't taught in the home or the lodge or the workplace, only in Catholic schools Remind the class why there was a need for them in the first place?
In my opinion there is absolutely no need for faith based schools yet Scottish councils still support this religious segregation,
Edinburger said:
Strocky said:
Edinburger said:
Good point!
Yep, bigotry isn't taught in the home or the lodge or the workplace, only in Catholic schools Remind the class why there was a need for them in the first place?
In my opinion there is absolutely no need for faith based schools yet Scottish councils still support this religious segregation,
There should be total separation of State and religion, not just in education.
DocJock said:
Blame the 1918 Education Act.
There should be total separation of State and religion, not just in education.
A laudable aim but not one shared by the majorityThere should be total separation of State and religion, not just in education.
You can't ignore the fact why there was a need for the Catholic population who where discriminated against by the Protestant majority as they where seen as a threat to jobs and the presbyterian way of life wanting to educate and better themselves
Funnily enough denominational schooling in other parts of the world doesn't lead to bigotry or sectarianism
Some background on the 1918 Act
https://sces.org.uk/catholic-education-and-the-191...
DocJock said:
Blame the 1918 Education Act.
There should be total separation of State and religion, not just in education.
Absolutely agree. If people want to practice a religion, and feel some sort of spiritual benefit that's fine and they can enjoy their hobby, but all religious influence should be removed from state affairs and public services.There should be total separation of State and religion, not just in education.
Celtic supported by the way, family attended CoS church and Boys Brigade, no personal religious affiliations, agnostic I suppose. Supported Celtic since I was 5 in 1970, call me a pot hunter if you like... But can't abide the republican chanting and songs - and the clubs does nowhere near enough to stop it.
sas62 said:
Edinburger said:
Some good posts here, bairns.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
But I don't think it will take centuries to route out. Today's schoolkids are taught a lot about religious tolerance. It will gradually dwindle out. But at the end of the day, a lot of it is based on tribalism and/or ignorance and stupidity.
simoid said:
Taught about tolerance and inclusion in their catholic schools...
Edinburger said:
Good point!
I may be interpreting this incorrectly. So are we saying that it is only catholic schools perpetuating this tribalism? Because if that is what you think then it's a pretty good example of why this issue still exists.Strocky said:
Edinburger said:
Good point!
Yep, bigotry isn't taught in the home or the lodge or the workplace, only in Catholic schools Remind the class why there was a need for them in the first place?
simoid said:
Nobody said bigotry is taught, let alone exclusively, in Catholic schools. I presume you didn’t go to one so have no personal experience in the matter.
I presume the sarcasm smiley I posted failed to render on your PC 
When the spectre of sectarianism rears it's ugly head the defult cry is close the Catholic schools, with not thoughts to the whys, where's and hows
No other analysis is proffered therefore you can only logically surmise that the chattering classes are apportioning the majority of the blame at one factor and that by simply educating everyone in one lumpen mass (be they RC, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Jedi) Sectarianism will disappear in all walks of life
You also presume incorrectly re my education
I had friends on ALL sides of the community from nursery all the way through to University despite attending a "bigot factory" (BTW I'm not indicating that is your mindset, however it's a well known slur)
I was best man at my Protestant mates wedding and as a kicker he supported Celtic as GIRFUY to his dad (and his extended family) because he had a bad split with his mum back in the day
Bigotry IMHO is taught in the home not in the classroom, even back in the 80's RE was a one hour a week lesson which your parents could opt you out off if they so wished
Most RC & Non-Dom schools existed side by side with as much hostility between yourself and your own classmates
Kids are kids, they can hate you for wearing the wrong gutties
Celtic & Rangers caused more aggro than Catholics & Protestants in my experience
As an aside you don't need to be RC to attend a RC School
They also tend to outperform their counterparts educationally
Strocky said:
No other analysis is proffered therefore you can only logically surmise that the chattering classes are apportioning the majority of the blame at one factor and that by simply educating everyone in one lumpen mass (be they RC, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Jedi) Sectarianism will disappear in all walks of life
It would be the most obvious place to start. Segregating children on the basis of their parents belief in different sky fairies is fking moronic. And that goes for all of them.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff