The Official Scottish Football Thread

[Strocky]

technodup said:

orry, I'm confused. Do you want to live in the past or not?

I keep being told Scotland is or should be forward thinking and outward looking. Now we're harking back to a century ago? But only when it suits, obviously.

Flippancy aside, Scottish society should try to be open and tolerant

I'm not sure the view that a particular section of society that contributes via taxation like the rest of us should not be allowed the choice to allow their kids to use the public educational establishment of their choosing is in line with the point you're trying to make

[Strocky]

abzmike said:

The main problem with Scottish Football is the Scottish Football Association.

Yep as long as the bowling club blazer brigade has control nothing will change

[technodup]

Strocky said:

Flippancy aside, Scottish society should try to be open and tolerant

I'm not sure the view that a particular section of society that contributes via taxation like the rest of us should not be allowed the choice to allow their kids to use the public educational establishment of their choosing is in line with the point you're trying to make

You and others are using events pre 1918 to justify 2019 societal norms, and you especially on the other thread talk of Scotland being modern and inclusive yadda yadda. I don't see how you can reconcile the two.

The country as a whole is becoming more secular as people wake up, church attendances are down across the board, and we have a problem with sectarianism. And you still believe in dividing impressionable children up along sectarian lines because of a set of conditions which haven't existed for a century.

[sas62]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

Flippancy aside, Scottish society should try to be open and tolerant

I'm not sure the view that a particular section of society that contributes via taxation like the rest of us should not be allowed the choice to allow their kids to use the public educational establishment of their choosing is in line with the point you're trying to make

You and others are using events pre 1918 to justify 2019 societal norms, and you especially on the other thread talk of Scotland being modern and inclusive yadda yadda. I don't see how you can reconcile the two.

The country as a whole is becoming more secular as people wake up, church attendances are down across the board, and we have a problem with sectarianism. And you still believe in dividing impressionable children up along sectarian lines because of a set of conditions which haven't existed for a century.

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

[technodup]

sas62 said:

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

I didn't say they caused it, I said they would be an obvious place to start solving it. The two are not the same.

Personally I couldn't really care less, unlike some I don't see sectarianism as a big issue.

[Barga]

technodup said:

sas62 said:

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

I didn't say they caused it, I said they would be an obvious place to start solving it. The two are not the same.

Personally I couldn't really care less, unlike some I don't see sectarianism as a big issue.

Of course you don’t in-fact you revel in it.

[sas62]

technodup said:

sas62 said:

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

I didn't say they caused it, I said they would be an obvious place to start solving it. The two are not the same.

Personally I couldn't really care less, unlike some I don't see sectarianism as a big issue.

But if one thing doesn't cause or contribute to another, why would it seem to you an obvious place to start solving it. Given that you also don't see sectarianism as an issue, it sounds like you want to ban catholic schools for personal reasons?

[JuniorD]

technodup said:

sas62 said:

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

I didn't say they caused it, I said they would be an obvious place to start solving it. The two are not the same.

Personally I couldn't really care less, unlike some I don't see sectarianism as a big issue.

You don’t see the scale of it as a big issue, or you just don’t see it as a big issue per se? Ambivalence about a behaviour that is so detrimental to society smacks of pure ignorance I have to say.

[Drive Blind]

McLeish was the wrong appointment.

Now he's gone, the same clowns that appointed him are still in a job and will appoint the next victim for the job. The cycle repeats.

The folks at the SFA have repeatedly failed over the last 20 years. The spotlight has to be put on them.

I'm probably talking bks here but is there some mechanism where a neutral and independent body can look at the workings of the SFA?

Also I said it when he was back in the media looking for a job and again when he was appointed in the Scotland position but McLeish does not look well.

[Driver101]

Bookies have

1) Clarke
2) Moyes
3) Mackay
4) Allardyce
5) Strachan
6) McInnes


I think Clarke will get a job down South that Killie and Scotland can't compete with wages.

I'm still not sure about Moyes, but it was only a few years ago he was deemed good enough for Man Utd.

Mackay would be the cheap quick option and I wouldn't want Allardyce.

Would Strachan come back?

I thing McInnes will get it. I think he's getting a bit fed up and Aberdeen and knows he can't take them any further.

[technodup]

JuniorD said:

You don’t see the scale of it as a big issue, or you just don’t see it as a big issue per se? Ambivalence about a behaviour that is so detrimental to society smacks of pure ignorance I have to say.

Both. But there is a pretty long list of societal 'issues' that people get all angsty about that I simply couldn't care less about, including but not limited to poverty/inequality, homelessness, climate change, drug use... sectarianism is hardly the only one.

[JuniorD]

technodup said:

JuniorD said:

You don’t see the scale of it as a big issue, or you just don’t see it as a big issue per se? Ambivalence about a behaviour that is so detrimental to society smacks of pure ignorance I have to say.

Both. But there is a pretty long list of societal 'issues' that people get all angsty about that I simply couldn't care less about, including but not limited to poverty/inequality, homelessness, climate change, drug use... sectarianism is hardly the only one.

Well ever there was every any doubt you have kindly confirmed the calibre of person you are.

[Helicopter123]

Driver101 said:

Bookies have

1) Clarke
2) Moyes
3) Mackay
4) Allardyce
5) Strachan
6) McInnes


I think Clarke will get a job down South that Killie and Scotland can't compete with wages.

I'm still not sure about Moyes, but it was only a few years ago he was deemed good enough for Man Utd.

Mackay would be the cheap quick option and I wouldn't want Allardyce.

Would Strachan come back?

I thing McInnes will get it. I think he's getting a bit fed up and Aberdeen and knows he can't take them any further.

McInnes could be an option, he may well have taken the Dons as far as he can and new new stadium is still a couple of years away.

A good option for him and possibly a stepping stone to a Premier League Club if he can get it right.

Also a way to leave the Dons with goodwill intact, which I know matters to him.

[simoid]

JuniorD said:

technodup said:

sas62 said:

But there are catholic schools all over England and Wales without the sectarianism. Pretty solid proof that one doesn't cause or contribute to the other.

I didn't say they caused it, I said they would be an obvious place to start solving it. The two are not the same.

Personally I couldn't really care less, unlike some I don't see sectarianism as a big issue.

You don’t see the scale of it as a big issue, or you just don’t see it as a big issue per se? Ambivalence about a behaviour that is so detrimental to society smacks of pure ignorance I have to say.

It’s not the sole ‘cause’...

...but dividing children into sects before they’re able to read and write might logically be a contributory factor in sectarianism. Surely.

It’ll obviously depend on the society-wide attitudes and parenting mainly.

[technodup]

JuniorD said:

Well ever there was every any doubt you have kindly confirmed the calibre of person you are.

And how's caring about them working out exactly? Millions of people do care, and they all have governments spending millions/billions on them all the time, and yet they all exist in one way or another. So caring achieves fk all, much like debating it here. Hot air.

I care about personal freedom; about making it easier for people to improve themselves, rather than relying on others to do it for them. Lower taxes, less government and more personal responsibility, rather than socialising every problem and hoping that 'we' i.e. the government should 'do something'.

But this is slightly OT. I'll let you get back to your hand wringing, I'm sure someone will be along with a solution soon.

[abzmike]

Helicopter123 said:

McInnes could be an option, he may well have taken the Dons as far as he can and new new stadium is still a couple of years away.

A good option for him and possibly a stepping stone to a Premier League Club if he can get it right.

Also a way to leave the Dons with goodwill intact, which I know matters to him.

There was a suggestion on SportSound last night of Clarke or McInnes part time, with Darren Fletcher full time assistant. That sort of thing might work. I can't see Clarke or McInnes packing in club management, and frankly don't see why we need a full time manager.

[Don Veloci]

International management isn't really full time, I agree. Dunno what the workload/stress level would be tagged onto a club job though. Have any countries adopted the model?

Club vs country? If an international tie was next to an important domestic tie on the calendar would I rest my internationalists and run the oppo internationalists into the ground? Probably not, but the thought still popped up.

Comments on clearing out the old school blazer set up at the SFA? I wish there was an obvious solution and I was confident that the vacuum would not instantly fill with some a new group of self interested muppets.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

If we know throwing a missile at a player will mean 5 points docked (for example) then how many Rangers fans will go to a Celtic match and throw a missile to disadvantage Celtic and help Rangers? It just won't work!

Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...

Well if the offending person is going to cost your team points, the fans could identify that person to the steward. If it turns out the person is a fan of a rival club then don’t take the points off or don’t suspend the players?

I don’t think Scottish football has enough ‘can do’ attitudes anywhere in all honesty.

Seems like an unusually naive answer from you there, simoid.

Do you expect a judge to determine which team an offender supports?!

A judge? Not sure we’re going to court to suspend a footballer or deduct points just yet.

Perhaps it could be for the accused team to show that the offender wasn’t a fan of their team. “This person was at this match but hasn’t attended our home games before, we therefore submit that he is not a fan of our club and we shouldn’t be punished.”

[Barga]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

If we know throwing a missile at a player will mean 5 points docked (for example) then how many Rangers fans will go to a Celtic match and throw a missile to disadvantage Celtic and help Rangers? It just won't work!

Edited to add - PS Team names are just an example, you get the idea...

Well if the offending person is going to cost your team points, the fans could identify that person to the steward. If it turns out the person is a fan of a rival club then don’t take the points off or don’t suspend the players?

I don’t think Scottish football has enough ‘can do’ attitudes anywhere in all honesty.

Seems like an unusually naive answer from you there, simoid.

Do you expect a judge to determine which team an offender supports?!

A judge? Not sure we’re going to court to suspend a footballer or deduct points just yet.

Perhaps it could be for the accused team to show that the offender wasn’t a fan of their team. “This person was at this match but hasn’t attended our home games before, we therefore submit that he is not a fan of our club and we shouldn’t be punished.”

Sounds a perfectly workable solution and the guilty until proven innocent seem very fair also!

[Kakopetria]

You must be pleased with your new manager Edinburger he’s certainly got you playing better than your old one