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simoid said:
Edinburger said:
Put it this way - if an employee at your bank stole £1,000 from your bank account would you expect the bank to be liable and to refund what was stolen? If your boiler was being serviced by British Gas and their engineer broke your window would you expect British Gas to be liable and pay for a new window?
So if wee Jimmy goes to a football academy and is abused by his coach, why wouldn't the club be liable for compensation?
As I’ve said I don’t know.So if wee Jimmy goes to a football academy and is abused by his coach, why wouldn't the club be liable for compensation?
In the first two instances wouldn’t they be insured? So they wouldn’t be overly fussed
If football academy could show they took as much care as they could to ensure children didn’t fall victim I would think they might be able to weasel out of liability. IANAL obviously.
Football clubs are responsible for the academy plays' wellbeing and if one of their representatives abuses a player then they are absolutely responsible.
What's IANAL? Typo?!
simoid said:
Edinburger said:
Put it this way - if an employee at your bank stole £1,000 from your bank account would you expect the bank to be liable and to refund what was stolen? If your boiler was being serviced by British Gas and their engineer broke your window would you expect British Gas to be liable and pay for a new window?
So if wee Jimmy goes to a football academy and is abused by his coach, why wouldn't the club be liable for compensation?
As I’ve said I don’t know.So if wee Jimmy goes to a football academy and is abused by his coach, why wouldn't the club be liable for compensation?
In the first two instances wouldn’t they be insured? So they wouldn’t be overly fussed
If football academy could show they took as much care as they could to ensure children didn’t fall victim I would think they might be able to weasel out of liability. IANAL obviously.
There is only so responsible a company can be for an individual's personal criminal behaviour. If someone steals £1000 from you or breaks something when doing their job obviously there is a simple way of fixing the issue. There is little way to remedy the abuse someone has suffered.
As for compensation the criminal injury board only pay rape victims £11,000.
The girl from St Andrews was awarded £80,000 from her attacker when she sued him looking for £100,000. He's declared himself bankrupt and she'll get nothing.
David Goodwillie was £100,000 to his victim.
Claims against Jimmy Saville were capped at £60,000.
Victims of serious sexual crimes don't seem to be compensated with huge amounts of money.
Obviously being seen to do the right thing and help the victims will help any club involved reputation. I'm not convinced they are under any obligation to do so. Aside Man City I've not heard anyone else coming up with anything.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 6th June 16:25
Edinburger said:
Insurance claims aren't 'free'.
Football clubs are responsible for the academy plays' wellbeing and if one of their representatives abuses a player then they are absolutely responsible.
What's IANAL? Typo?!
I know what insurance is.Football clubs are responsible for the academy plays' wellbeing and if one of their representatives abuses a player then they are absolutely responsible.
What's IANAL? Typo?!
IANAL
It’s not a strange answer at all. I do not know how far vicarious responsibility extends in the instance of employees/volunteers committing horrid crimes so I’m not going to claim that I do.
Edinburger said:
DocJock said:
Most leagues insist their coaches have done the relevant Child Protection courses. I don't see how they can be responsible beyond that unless they ignore concerns expressed about a coach.
As an aside, the f
king nonces are the reason for pretty strict rules, such as an adult must be accompanied and not left alone with a child. Also some ridiculous ones such as not being able to apply a plaster to a cut, but having to give it to the kid to apply themselves, and not being able to sppnge a cut clean before dressing ( again, kid has to do it.
The one which nearly made me quit coaching my lad's side was when I was reprimanded for 'inappropriate contact' with one of the lads. My crime? One of the boys broke his ankle, and rather than wait ages for a stretcher to be found I picked him up and carried him to the side of the pitch.
The SYFA insist grassroots coaches do a Child Protection CBT and also all coaches need to be PVG'd before they can coach (I coach two kids teams) but neither of those measures prevent a paedophile coaching - unless he has been caught! The CBT is a good idea but anyone can pass it.As an aside, the f
king nonces are the reason for pretty strict rules, such as an adult must be accompanied and not left alone with a child. Also some ridiculous ones such as not being able to apply a plaster to a cut, but having to give it to the kid to apply themselves, and not being able to sppnge a cut clean before dressing ( again, kid has to do it.The one which nearly made me quit coaching my lad's side was when I was reprimanded for 'inappropriate contact' with one of the lads. My crime? One of the boys broke his ankle, and rather than wait ages for a stretcher to be found I picked him up and carried him to the side of the pitch.
In the case of sports first aid, in the leagues I've been involved in (ESSDA & FSSDA) and academies I've been involved in, coaches are absolutely allowed to apply plasters! That's just ridiculous if they're not..
Edinburger said:
I don't know whether any clubs have paid compensation or not, but there will definitely be an entitlement to financial recompense.
But you must see the issue with 'Rangers' - we'll keep the good stuff from oldco such as league titles and cups, but all that bad stuff such as paedophile coaches is nothing to do with us...
You really need some therapy for the hatred towards Glasgow Rangers FC, I bet that even reading the name sends you into a rage. Any excuse to have a dig. But you must see the issue with 'Rangers' - we'll keep the good stuff from oldco such as league titles and cups, but all that bad stuff such as paedophile coaches is nothing to do with us...
You probably wonder why as a Rangers season ticket holder I'm not really saying much about the child abuse scandal, its quite simple really, the perpetrators of the crimes are criminals who happened to see the opportunity to work with youngsters through football and abused them. I'm not going to get into a debate for point scoring reasons maybe you should try and do the same.
I doubt it mind you
Ach 3 points eh. Just watched the highlights over breakfast. Lovely strike by Robertson. We could really do with some centre halves who have more European experience. Kinda hoped Jack Hendry would find his way into the Celtic and Scotland setups after his move. McKenna needs to move from Aberdeen to progress too, I feel. You won’t learn anything when one of your biggest achievements of the season was to mark Umar Sadiq out of a game.
simoid said:
Ach 3 points eh. Just watched the highlights over breakfast. Lovely strike by Robertson. We could really do with some centre halves who have more European experience. Kinda hoped Jack Hendry would find his way into the Celtic and Scotland setups after his move. McKenna needs to move from Aberdeen to progress too, I feel. You won’t learn anything when one of your biggest achievements of the season was to mark Umar Sadiq out of a game.
Hendry is a carthorse, will go the way of Gary Kenneth (remember that glowing cheeked galoot??)BrabusMog said:
Line-ups
Belgium
1Courtois
2Alderweireld
4Kompany
5Vertonghen
15Meunier
8Tielemans
6Witsel
16T Hazard
7De Bruyne
9Lukaku
10E Hazard
Scotland
1Marshall
2O'Donnell
4Mulgrew
5McKenna
23Taylor
16McTominay
18Armstrong
6McLean
17Russell
22Burke
10McGregor
I'm not exactly confident
You don't rate Lukaku either? Belgium
1Courtois
2Alderweireld
4Kompany
5Vertonghen
15Meunier
8Tielemans
6Witsel
16T Hazard
7De Bruyne
9Lukaku
10E Hazard
Scotland
1Marshall
2O'Donnell
4Mulgrew
5McKenna
23Taylor
16McTominay
18Armstrong
6McLean
17Russell
22Burke
10McGregor
I'm not exactly confident
Few signings moving already.
Rangers and Celtic taking some of the bright sparks from Motherwell, Killie and Aberdeen. Rangers also securing the permanent signing of Davis too - he took a wee while to get going but he’s an absolute touch of class in that midfield.
Interesting that Celtic shell out £3m for a teenager off a decent 6 months, but wouldn’t do the same for McGinn.
Rangers and Celtic taking some of the bright sparks from Motherwell, Killie and Aberdeen. Rangers also securing the permanent signing of Davis too - he took a wee while to get going but he’s an absolute touch of class in that midfield.
Interesting that Celtic shell out £3m for a teenager off a decent 6 months, but wouldn’t do the same for McGinn.
I've not seen enough of Turnbull, but his stats are impressive. 15 goals from 30 league appearances last season is impressive from his position.
Motherwell will be compensated well if the deal goes through. I read the young lad signed a contract to not leave on a free.
Stewart looked poor for Aberdeen. He had a small purple patch with Killie, but his record with Aberdeen and Birmingham is really poor. I doubt Jordan Jones will make the grade either.
Shved look a real talent. Although maybe YouTube clips aren't all the best for judging.
Motherwell will be compensated well if the deal goes through. I read the young lad signed a contract to not leave on a free.
Stewart looked poor for Aberdeen. He had a small purple patch with Killie, but his record with Aberdeen and Birmingham is really poor. I doubt Jordan Jones will make the grade either.
Shved look a real talent. Although maybe YouTube clips aren't all the best for judging.
Driver101 said:
I've not seen enough of Turnbull, but his stats are impressive. 15 goals from 30 league appearances last season is impressive from his position.
Motherwell will be compensated well if the deal goes through. I read the young lad signed a contract to not leave on a free.
Stewart looked poor for Aberdeen. He had a small purple patch with Killie, but his record with Aberdeen and Birmingham is really poor. I doubt Jordan Jones will make the grade either.
Shved look a real talent. Although maybe YouTube clips aren't all the best for judging.
So basically you’ve not seen much of who Celtic have signed but are impressed. Loving your blind optimism Motherwell will be compensated well if the deal goes through. I read the young lad signed a contract to not leave on a free.
Stewart looked poor for Aberdeen. He had a small purple patch with Killie, but his record with Aberdeen and Birmingham is really poor. I doubt Jordan Jones will make the grade either.
Shved look a real talent. Although maybe YouTube clips aren't all the best for judging.
Different markets really as you point out. Celtic shelling out multi millions and Rangers doing free business. Stewart and Jones have both done the business for their respective Premiership clubs on occasion so hopefully one or both of them can shine making the step up to Rangers and contribute.
I like these Rangers signings. Last year we went for some guys with decent experience in European leagues and internationally, eg Grezda and Sadiq, who didn’t ‘hit the ground running’ to put it mildly. Davis really replaces Rossiter or Ejaria in the squad too, so that’s a big boost.
simoid said:
So basically you’ve not seen much of who Celtic have signed but are impressed. Loving your blind optimism
Different markets really as you point out. Celtic shelling out multi millions and Rangers doing free business. Stewart and Jones have both done the business for their respective Premiership clubs on occasion so hopefully one or both of them can shine making the step up to Rangers and contribute.
I like these Rangers signings. Last year we went for some guys with decent experience in European leagues and internationally, eg Grezda and Sadiq, who didn’t ‘hit the ground running’ to put it mildly. Davis really replaces Rossiter or Ejaria in the squad too, so that’s a big boost.
Would you not say 15 goals for any midfielder is a great return in premier league especially for a young lad? I only said his stats were good rather than saying I agree he's a £3m player. Different markets really as you point out. Celtic shelling out multi millions and Rangers doing free business. Stewart and Jones have both done the business for their respective Premiership clubs on occasion so hopefully one or both of them can shine making the step up to Rangers and contribute.
I like these Rangers signings. Last year we went for some guys with decent experience in European leagues and internationally, eg Grezda and Sadiq, who didn’t ‘hit the ground running’ to put it mildly. Davis really replaces Rossiter or Ejaria in the squad too, so that’s a big boost.
Weren't some of the Rangers signings more of panic buys without any scouting?
There is some bargain free transfers out there. Players like Stewart didn't run their contract down to leave. He didn't make the grade at Birmingham and was free to go.
I would guess that a lot of Rangers fans aren't exactly excited? I did see the chat about Jones before and it wasn't exactly positive.
I've said that it isn't right that Rangers keep outliving their means, so I can't criticise when they spend within it.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 14th June 09:33
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