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Scrubs said:
What an absolutely horrible way to 'win' 9 in a row. Make no doubt about it, what should a very big moment for a club has just went by with a whimper. No one in Scottish football (outside Rangers and Celtic) could care less about it anyway. I look forward to the two of them now arguing about it from now till the end of eternity. Quite a few from the Celtic camp desperate to point out how it is not 'tainted' tells you everything you need to know about how it will forever have a stain on it due to C-Vid.
Can't see Hearts doing anything will their legal threat over reconstruction either, they don't have the money and Budge appears to get more out of her depth with every new statement they release.
I wouldnt call it a stain at all. 80% of world football will get called this way. Yes it takes the shine off. Makes it a bit meh. Robs celtic of a potential quadruple treble if the scottish cup isnt finished either. Liverpool are winning the league and even if they can finish itll be a bit meh due to no fans.Can't see Hearts doing anything will their legal threat over reconstruction either, they don't have the money and Budge appears to get more out of her depth with every new statement they release.
Glad it's over now we can concentrate all efforts on next season. No fans and scottish football will go under. Worrying times ahead.
Scrubs said:
What an absolutely horrible way to 'win' 9 in a row. Make no doubt about it, what should a very big moment for a club has just went by with a whimper. No one in Scottish football (outside Rangers and Celtic) could care less about it anyway. I look forward to the two of them now arguing about it from now till the end of eternity. Quite a few from the Celtic camp desperate to point out how it is not 'tainted' tells you everything you need to know about how it will forever have a stain on it due to C-Vid.
Can't see Hearts doing anything will their legal threat over reconstruction either, they don't have the money and Budge appears to get more out of her depth with every new statement they release.
Why does the fact that Celtic have to point out it's not tainted tell you everything? If you don't care less why would you try and read things like that and call it stained/tainted. It sounds as if it does matter to you. Can't see Hearts doing anything will their legal threat over reconstruction either, they don't have the money and Budge appears to get more out of her depth with every new statement they release.
Last time you were posing about how it was obvious what the SPFL were up to. You never came back with what you thought was so blatantly obvious.
There was nothing that could be done. It's truly exceptional circumstances out of the control of anyone. Wind back to March and you won't find a Rangers fan that wouldn't admit the league was over. They were all desperate for Gerrard to be sacked too. The league was finished.
The league was never going to be deemed null and void. There was nothing else that could be done.
Pretty much sums it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/18/c...
An average 2.67 points and 2.97 goals per league game.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/may/18/c...
An average 2.67 points and 2.97 goals per league game.
Shows you how far Rangers are now and how the mighty have fallen when you listen to the pish their club and fans have been spouting the last few weeks.
Congrats Celtic - 13 clear, Rangers never in a million years catching that. Ending it now probably stopped it being a further embarrassment it the gap going to 16-18 points. Gerrard will be delighted as its bought him another season.
No luck Hertz - Scotland's second establishment club. Spending out their means again, 3rd biggest wage bill, millions being pumped in from donators and rock bottom of the league. Don't blame the SPFL, take the blinkers off and blame Budge.
Well done to Motherwell and winning the league that the rest of us can actually compete for - finishing 3rd!
Congrats Celtic - 13 clear, Rangers never in a million years catching that. Ending it now probably stopped it being a further embarrassment it the gap going to 16-18 points. Gerrard will be delighted as its bought him another season.
No luck Hertz - Scotland's second establishment club. Spending out their means again, 3rd biggest wage bill, millions being pumped in from donators and rock bottom of the league. Don't blame the SPFL, take the blinkers off and blame Budge.
Well done to Motherwell and winning the league that the rest of us can actually compete for - finishing 3rd!
If the resident Rangers fans are unable to muster up a comment, we will just have to go on Stevie G's view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izcaQWE9_l8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izcaQWE9_l8
Dunfermline have released 17 players to "protect the future of the club".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52768290
The last few days a few people have spoken out to say it's pointless restarting the lower league as they can't survive without paying fans.
Looks like most leagues will be choosing to go down the same route as Scottish football. I see England will still have promotions and relegations if the leagues can't be finished. They've got teams that could have improved their positions or got out of the relegation zones too. One even has a game in hand like Partick Thistle.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52768290
The last few days a few people have spoken out to say it's pointless restarting the lower league as they can't survive without paying fans.
Looks like most leagues will be choosing to go down the same route as Scottish football. I see England will still have promotions and relegations if the leagues can't be finished. They've got teams that could have improved their positions or got out of the relegation zones too. One even has a game in hand like Partick Thistle.
A few people have made it quite clear that clubs will have to chop everything they can. The Ross County chairman predicted as high as 60% of players would be unemployed by the summer. He must know his numbers and Dunfermline have just shown their situation.
Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
Driver101 said:
A few people have made it quite clear that clubs will have to chop everything they can. The Ross County chairman predicted as high as 60% of players would be unemployed by the summer. He must know his numbers and Dunfermline have just shown their situation.
Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
... and a lot of clubs can't carry on in empty stadiums next season. Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
Without matchday tickets, hospitality and sponsorship many are simply unviable at anything remotley close to the same level of expenditure as now.
abzmike said:
Driver101 said:
A few people have made it quite clear that clubs will have to chop everything they can. The Ross County chairman predicted as high as 60% of players would be unemployed by the summer. He must know his numbers and Dunfermline have just shown their situation.
Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
... and a lot of clubs can't carry on in empty stadiums next season. Ricky Foster was asking for clubs to extend contracts to keep players on furlough. Doesn't seem like an option with furlough getting phased out, at the cost of the employer, and little income coming for a while. It also seems a bit wrong to extend contracts when the players aren't needed.
It's pretty clear why Scottish football just couldn't carry on the season.
Without matchday tickets, hospitality and sponsorship many are simply unviable at anything remotley close to the same level of expenditure as now.
I'm curious what clubs are going to do for season ticket holders? People are buying season tickets for next season and won't get to matches for the foreseeable future. With spatial distancing attendances will be low once fans are allowed back.
Clubs are already offering refunds for the games they didn't get to play this season, but asking fans to forfeit that money. It's a test of loyalty as many fans will have their own financial issues at the moment.
Rangers aren't even offering any refunds. I can't see that being legal.
I see clubs are extending player's contracts on a monthly basis whilst being able to claim furlough money. It's doing a favour for the player, but I can see that stretching what is legal. They aren't working and they won't be kept on.
Driver101 said:
Rangers aren't even offering any refunds. I can't see that being legal.
Pretty much any season ticket scheme anywhere will have terms and conditions stating that the club does not guarantee a set number of matches and that any refund is entirely at the club's discretion.A lot of clubs in Scotland are dependent on getting their 20/21 season ticket money in at the moment.
ninja-lewis said:
Driver101 said:
Rangers aren't even offering any refunds. I can't see that being legal.
Pretty much any season ticket scheme anywhere will have terms and conditions stating that the club does not guarantee a set number of matches and that any refund is entirely at the club's discretion.A lot of clubs in Scotland are dependent on getting their 20/21 season ticket money in at the moment.
I even read Rangers fans and telling each other to claim from their credit card company for refunds and not claim from the club. That's totally wrong.
Strange that Rangers thought in advance and specifically included terms(more than likely illegal) in their conditions if they didn't see the season out.
All clubs are desperate for money, but at least they are honest about their intentions. Rangers are just shafting their fans with no refunds and schemes to raise money.
Season ticket money is everything to clubs. I've no idea how so many people can pay and get little or nothing in return.
Driver101 said:
ninja-lewis said:
Driver101 said:
Rangers aren't even offering any refunds. I can't see that being legal.
Pretty much any season ticket scheme anywhere will have terms and conditions stating that the club does not guarantee a set number of matches and that any refund is entirely at the club's discretion.A lot of clubs in Scotland are dependent on getting their 20/21 season ticket money in at the moment.
I even read Rangers fans and telling each other to claim from their credit card company for refunds and not claim from the club. That's totally wrong.
Strange that Rangers thought in advance and specifically included terms(more than likely illegal) in their conditions if they didn't see the season out.
All clubs are desperate for money, but at least they are honest about their intentions. Rangers are just shafting their fans with no refunds and schemes to raise money.
Season ticket money is everything to clubs. I've no idea how so many people can pay and get little or nothing in return.
Liverpool FC season ticket 2018-20 said:
4. Changes to Dates, Refunds & Exchanges
4.1 No guarantees can be given by the Club that a Match will take place at a particular time or on a particular date. The Club reserves the right to reschedule any Match without notice and without any liability whatsoever. Your Season Ticket will enable you to attend the re-arranged Match and the Club recommends you visit the Club website on a regular basis in order to check the latest dates and times of Matches.
4.2 The Club will have no further liability whatsoever relating to any alteration of the time or date of any Match (including but not limited to any postponement or abandonment), including (but not limited to) any direct, indirect or consequential loss or damage, loss of enjoyment or travel costs.
4.3 Once a Season Ticket is purchased you will not be entitled to cancel your Season Ticket and receive a refund, except where expressly set out in the Terms & Conditions of Entry.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/legal/terms-and-condit...
Morally is a different matter but even where clubs are offering refunds, they're budgeting for the cost being minimal. Others are just offering non-cash refunds instead - free access to club TV, discounts on merchandise, access to training sessions etc. Not surprised at the way Rangers are handling though - typical for them.4.1 No guarantees can be given by the Club that a Match will take place at a particular time or on a particular date. The Club reserves the right to reschedule any Match without notice and without any liability whatsoever. Your Season Ticket will enable you to attend the re-arranged Match and the Club recommends you visit the Club website on a regular basis in order to check the latest dates and times of Matches.
4.2 The Club will have no further liability whatsoever relating to any alteration of the time or date of any Match (including but not limited to any postponement or abandonment), including (but not limited to) any direct, indirect or consequential loss or damage, loss of enjoyment or travel costs.
4.3 Once a Season Ticket is purchased you will not be entitled to cancel your Season Ticket and receive a refund, except where expressly set out in the Terms & Conditions of Entry.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/legal/terms-and-condit...
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/footb...
At the end of the day, buying a season ticket for Scottish football is not a rational decision!
Many clubs are even encouraging fans to buy 2020/21 season tickets over the past 6 weeks even though they had no idea when or how the season will start, including whether mass gatherings would be allowed this side of Christmas. Interesting Hamilton don't seem to be.I don't think the terms and conditions will trump the law regarding tickets. I don't think there will be any other option than offering refunds and hoping fans don't accept.
There is a separate argument if you feel the season has been completed or not. You're either entitled to a partial refund for the games missing, or a complete refund.
Probably a question for another part of the forum.
Hasn't it always been the TV deal that has stopped clubs broadcasting home games on their own channel in the UK? Unless there is a change in broadcasting rights clubs can't show their own games.
There is a separate argument if you feel the season has been completed or not. You're either entitled to a partial refund for the games missing, or a complete refund.
Probably a question for another part of the forum.
Hasn't it always been the TV deal that has stopped clubs broadcasting home games on their own channel in the UK? Unless there is a change in broadcasting rights clubs can't show their own games.
I'm owed five games I think from my falkirk season ticket, even though I'm out of work just now I'd have a red neck claiming the money back from my club.
Falkirk haven't released season tickets yet, I'm now hearing it'll likely kick off in January for league one club's. Sadly, in my position there's no way I'm buying one until this is all clarified.
I've been watching the German football and can safely say football is s
t behind closed doors and not worth watching. There's no intensity without the crowd. Scottish football has the biggest attendance per population in Europe I'm lead to believe. We rely heavily on arses on seats. It's utterly fked if this doesn't lift.
Falkirk haven't released season tickets yet, I'm now hearing it'll likely kick off in January for league one club's. Sadly, in my position there's no way I'm buying one until this is all clarified.
I've been watching the German football and can safely say football is s
t behind closed doors and not worth watching. There's no intensity without the crowd. Scottish football has the biggest attendance per population in Europe I'm lead to believe. We rely heavily on arses on seats. It's utterly fked if this doesn't lift. Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff