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Type R Tom said:
See to me it's really interesting you say that. From my perspective, all I seem to hear about in the press is "Scotland the brave" etc. "How well they battled". I really wasn't aware of that arrogance angle as I've not heard it, we seem to spend our entire time knocking ourselves! To me, it seems that winning the group at times was a poor result (in the press)!
Have you not read the thread on here, the comments on any football news page or wandered over on to Twitter? You did hear the predictions of pundits on TV including Rio Ferdinand?
Driver101 said:
Type R Tom said:
See to me it's really interesting you say that. From my perspective, all I seem to hear about in the press is "Scotland the brave" etc. "How well they battled". I really wasn't aware of that arrogance angle as I've not heard it, we seem to spend our entire time knocking ourselves! To me, it seems that winning the group at times was a poor result (in the press)!
Have you not read the thread on here, the comments on any football news page or wandered over on to Twitter? You did hear the predictions of pundits on TV including Rio Ferdinand?
I can understand the arrogance a little bit, had a mate who after watching your first match said 4-0, my reaction was don't be so stupid.
My issue with it was the reaction after the match considering the match before and now in hindsight Croatia result. They just don't seem to sit well together to me.
Type R Tom said:
Have to say, I'd missed Rio and he was a bit of a dick and seems to have admitted as much.
I can understand the arrogance a little bit, had a mate who after watching your first match said 4-0, my reaction was don't be so stupid.
My issue with it was the reaction after the match considering the match before and now in hindsight Croatia result. They just don't seem to sit well together to me.
Why doesn't it sit well with you? Why does it matter so much and why would you have an issue? I can understand the arrogance a little bit, had a mate who after watching your first match said 4-0, my reaction was don't be so stupid.
My issue with it was the reaction after the match considering the match before and now in hindsight Croatia result. They just don't seem to sit well together to me.
Why not just let those who enjoyed it, enjoy it?
What harm did people celebrating and having a good time cause?
When England scraped a draw at Hampden in 2017 did you have any issues with the level of celebration?
As a 60ish year old patriotic Scot I think Tom has a point.
To me there still lingers a strong feeling amongst lots of Scots that as long as we do well against England we are okay.
Scotland lost the ‘easiest’ game v Czechs but followed it by a terrific fighting performance v England, then we had the coach and some players claiming redemption after what they saw as unfair criticism. I felt the players went over the top in celebrating a 0-0 draw, albeit at Wembley.
The fact remains that if we’d won the first game all was rosy but we didn’t and drawing with England did not make up for that.
To me there still lingers a strong feeling amongst lots of Scots that as long as we do well against England we are okay.
Scotland lost the ‘easiest’ game v Czechs but followed it by a terrific fighting performance v England, then we had the coach and some players claiming redemption after what they saw as unfair criticism. I felt the players went over the top in celebrating a 0-0 draw, albeit at Wembley.
The fact remains that if we’d won the first game all was rosy but we didn’t and drawing with England did not make up for that.
I think what a lot of England fans maybe don’t appreciate is that the Scotland fans weren’t celebrating purely because they drew with “the auld enemy” even though that will be a large component of it, especially after a lot of the condescending comments from English pundits and the amount of times we were all forced to see that bloody Gazza goal (as good as it was).
There was also the fact that:
- the draw kept Scotland’s hopes alive of progressing from the group and making it less likely that they would have to rely on other results.
- England are a very talented group to individuals and are currently ranked 4th in the world. Scotland fans would have celebrated almost as much if it were Germany, Spain or Belgium that they drew against to keep their hopes of progressing alive.
- it gave Scotland some much needed momentum and confidence ahead of the Croatia game.
There was also the fact that:
- the draw kept Scotland’s hopes alive of progressing from the group and making it less likely that they would have to rely on other results.
- England are a very talented group to individuals and are currently ranked 4th in the world. Scotland fans would have celebrated almost as much if it were Germany, Spain or Belgium that they drew against to keep their hopes of progressing alive.
- it gave Scotland some much needed momentum and confidence ahead of the Croatia game.
Runnyg said:
As a 60ish year old patriotic Scot I think Tom has a point.
To me there still lingers a strong feeling amongst lots of Scots that as long as we do well against England we are okay.
Scotland lost the ‘easiest’ game v Czechs but followed it by a terrific fighting performance v England, then we had the coach and some players claiming redemption after what they saw as unfair criticism. I felt the players went over the top in celebrating a 0-0 draw, albeit at Wembley.
The fact remains that if we’d won the first game all was rosy but we didn’t and drawing with England did not make up for that.
Certainly a percentage of Scotland are just as happy to see England lose as they are to see Scotland win, too.To me there still lingers a strong feeling amongst lots of Scots that as long as we do well against England we are okay.
Scotland lost the ‘easiest’ game v Czechs but followed it by a terrific fighting performance v England, then we had the coach and some players claiming redemption after what they saw as unfair criticism. I felt the players went over the top in celebrating a 0-0 draw, albeit at Wembley.
The fact remains that if we’d won the first game all was rosy but we didn’t and drawing with England did not make up for that.
England should be and are a confident side (4th in the world?) so plenty of chip-on-shoulder Scots will see that confidence as verging into arrogance too.
https://mobile.twitter.com/rfc_falkirk/status/1408...
To paraphrase Police Scotland:
No evidence of Rangers players or staff singing anything sectarian, and a video on Tiktok was doctored to include offensive lyrics.
There’s also a response/explanation re the policing in Glasgow when Rangers sealed the title (Polieas will encourage large peaceful gatherings to disperse and only move to enforcement if absolutely necessary).
To paraphrase Police Scotland:
No evidence of Rangers players or staff singing anything sectarian, and a video on Tiktok was doctored to include offensive lyrics.
There’s also a response/explanation re the policing in Glasgow when Rangers sealed the title (Polieas will encourage large peaceful gatherings to disperse and only move to enforcement if absolutely necessary).
Scotland probably would not have qualified had the tournament not been expanded to 24 teams.
And their performance the finals was about as poor as I've seen overall, though I will say they did not have a calamity match (Costa Rica etc), and they played well for a 0-0 at Wembley.
Given the work that's been done in Scotland over the past 10-15 years and having more players in the EPL, and having home advantage in the two games they lost (albeit not proper home advantage) ... their performance overall was poor.
They need to stop playing home matches at Hampden as well. Does nothing for them.
And their performance the finals was about as poor as I've seen overall, though I will say they did not have a calamity match (Costa Rica etc), and they played well for a 0-0 at Wembley.
Given the work that's been done in Scotland over the past 10-15 years and having more players in the EPL, and having home advantage in the two games they lost (albeit not proper home advantage) ... their performance overall was poor.
They need to stop playing home matches at Hampden as well. Does nothing for them.
simoid said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/rfc_falkirk/status/1408...
To paraphrase Police Scotland:
No evidence of Rangers players or staff singing anything sectarian, and a video on Tiktok was doctored to include offensive lyrics.
There’s also a response/explanation re the policing in Glasgow when Rangers sealed the title (Polieas will encourage large peaceful gatherings to disperse and only move to enforcement if absolutely necessary).
A few on here will be devastated at this news, they already had the players guilty. Wonder if they admit they were wrong? To paraphrase Police Scotland:
No evidence of Rangers players or staff singing anything sectarian, and a video on Tiktok was doctored to include offensive lyrics.
There’s also a response/explanation re the policing in Glasgow when Rangers sealed the title (Polieas will encourage large peaceful gatherings to disperse and only move to enforcement if absolutely necessary).
simoid said:
dalzo said:
A few on here will be devastated at this news, they already had the players guilty. Wonder if they admit they were wrong?
We all want to rid our game of genuine hatred, so the energy and time wasted on this distraction by police, politicians and PHers is a shame.
I think you guys forget your participation on this thread and others.
The posts above are intended to get a reaction and not accurate on what was said.
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
I think you guys forget your participation on this thread and others.
The posts above are intended to get a reaction and not accurate on what was said.
The videos that were circulated were professionally edited videos that duped people. The people that thought they were hearing the offensive chant were correct. They were not just hearing things, or making it up, like you and others suggested. Given what was heard the politician, which you guys already hate, was correct to report it when it was raised with him. The police were also correct to investigate it and it required specialist forensics to find the videos were edited.
A waste of PHers time? 90% of this thread is a waste of time.
The two of you posted trying to get a reaction and exaggerating what actually happened in this thread.
Also don't forget that when there was the accusations that Morelos was racial abused at Celtic Park you were posting a homemade muffled sound bite that was inaudible. That was conclusive proof and worthy of getting the police involved.
Like my point was, people need to have a look at the things they keep saying and doing before throwing more stones in the greenhouse.
Hopefully this thread will be a bit better next season.
Driver101 said:
When something happens at Celtic a few members, including yourself, are over this thread like a rash. When it's Rangers it turns around to the defensive.
The videos that were circulated were professionally edited videos that duped people. The people that thought they were hearing the offensive chant were correct. They were not just hearing things, or making it up, like you and others suggested. Given what was heard the politician, which you guys already hate, was correct to report it when it was raised with him. The police were also correct to investigate it and it required specialist forensics to find the videos were edited.
A waste of PHers time? 90% of this thread is a waste of time.
The two of you posted trying to get a reaction and exaggerating what actually happened in this thread.
Also don't forget that when there was the accusations that Morelos was racial abused at Celtic Park you were posting a homemade muffled sound bite that was inaudible. That was conclusive proof and worthy of getting the police involved.
Like my point was, people need to have a look at the things they keep saying and doing before throwing more stones in the greenhouse.
Hopefully this thread will be a bit better next season.
I always offer my honest opinion and stay as factual and objective as possible. You probably think it’s biased because you’re anti-Rangers. That’s cool, we’ll need to discuss things knowing how people lean and appreciating it. I appreciate that some people wanted to hear sectarian abuse as it would rightly be a massive scandal but it was simply a fabrication - that’ll be why they heard it. The videos that were circulated were professionally edited videos that duped people. The people that thought they were hearing the offensive chant were correct. They were not just hearing things, or making it up, like you and others suggested. Given what was heard the politician, which you guys already hate, was correct to report it when it was raised with him. The police were also correct to investigate it and it required specialist forensics to find the videos were edited.
A waste of PHers time? 90% of this thread is a waste of time.
The two of you posted trying to get a reaction and exaggerating what actually happened in this thread.
Also don't forget that when there was the accusations that Morelos was racial abused at Celtic Park you were posting a homemade muffled sound bite that was inaudible. That was conclusive proof and worthy of getting the police involved.
Like my point was, people need to have a look at the things they keep saying and doing before throwing more stones in the greenhouse.
Hopefully this thread will be a bit better next season.
The police rightly investigated the Rangers video. This is correct use of police time. I cannot remember the Morelos thing. If you say I thought there was racial abuse then fair enough - i can only see that someone was charged but nothing else.
To clarify re timewasting: politicians getting involved potentially influencing a police enquiry (Humza Yousaf) and continuing to get involved after the police had clarified why no action would be taken (James Dornan) was a ridiculous waste of my money in my opinion. It’s easy dog whistle popularity for politicians to Rangers-bash though. It lands with a lot of their core voters and I’d expect only a small minority of Rangers fans vote SNP. See also - politicians castigating Rangers and their fans for meeting when the title was won and trophy presented, saying how it could be responsible for a spike. Fast forward to the Euros and nobody has wheeled Steve Clarke out to say to the Tartan Army not to travel to London, lo and behold there’s a massive spike after mass irresponsible travel and meetings.
I understand the above, and why it occurs, and I’m just living with the anti-Rangers bias in government and society like I do with covid.
Clearly PH is a vortex of wasted time, yes
simoid said:
I always offer my honest opinion and stay as factual and objective as possible. You probably think it’s biased because you’re anti-Rangers. That’s cool, we’ll need to discuss things knowing how people lean and appreciating it. I appreciate that some people wanted to hear sectarian abuse as it would rightly be a massive scandal but it was simply a fabrication - that’ll be why they heard it.
The police rightly investigated the Rangers video. This is correct use of police time. I cannot remember the Morelos thing. If you say I thought there was racial abuse then fair enough - i can only see that someone was charged but nothing else.
To clarify re timewasting: politicians getting involved potentially influencing a police enquiry (Humza Yousaf) and continuing to get involved after the police had clarified why no action would be taken (James Dornan) was a ridiculous waste of my money in my opinion. It’s easy dog whistle popularity for politicians to Rangers-bash though. It lands with a lot of their core voters and I’d expect only a small minority of Rangers fans vote SNP. See also - politicians castigating Rangers and their fans for meeting when the title was won and trophy presented, saying how it could be responsible for a spike. Fast forward to the Euros and nobody has wheeled Steve Clarke out to say to the Tartan Army not to travel to London, lo and behold there’s a massive spike after mass irresponsible travel and meetings.
I understand the above, and why it occurs, and I’m just living with the anti-Rangers bias in government and society like I do with covid.
Clearly PH is a vortex of wasted time, yes
You know exactly what happened around the racism accusations. You made a huge deal about it and know a 12 year old was charged after a massive effort.The police rightly investigated the Rangers video. This is correct use of police time. I cannot remember the Morelos thing. If you say I thought there was racial abuse then fair enough - i can only see that someone was charged but nothing else.
To clarify re timewasting: politicians getting involved potentially influencing a police enquiry (Humza Yousaf) and continuing to get involved after the police had clarified why no action would be taken (James Dornan) was a ridiculous waste of my money in my opinion. It’s easy dog whistle popularity for politicians to Rangers-bash though. It lands with a lot of their core voters and I’d expect only a small minority of Rangers fans vote SNP. See also - politicians castigating Rangers and their fans for meeting when the title was won and trophy presented, saying how it could be responsible for a spike. Fast forward to the Euros and nobody has wheeled Steve Clarke out to say to the Tartan Army not to travel to London, lo and behold there’s a massive spike after mass irresponsible travel and meetings.
I understand the above, and why it occurs, and I’m just living with the anti-Rangers bias in government and society like I do with covid.
Clearly PH is a vortex of wasted time, yes
The rest of the post is the rambling s
t we need to keep out of this thread. Save the bitter paranoid politics for the bitter paranoid politics thread. Driver101 said:
You know exactly what happened around the racism accusations. You made a huge deal about it and know a 12 year old was charged after a massive effort.
The rest of the post is the rambling st we need to keep out of this thread. Save the bitter paranoid politics for the bitter paranoid politics thread.
I absolutely cannot recall discussing what racial abuse was (still allegedly?) aimed at Morelos. Why you think I’m lying I don’t know. The rest of the post is the rambling s
t we need to keep out of this thread. Save the bitter paranoid politics for the bitter paranoid politics thread. You might like to be a bit less personal if you want this thread to improve. Are insults helping? What have I said that is incorrect? Sorry if it wasn’t structured adequately or fluently, I’m watching fra sui too.
Just realised you think I mean the police were wasting their time by investigating the Rangers video. I do not think this is the case. I have already stated that the police were correct to investigate. The wasting of police time was by Dornan who wouldn’t let it go and was writing letters to the police hierarchy.
simoid said:
I absolutely cannot recall discussing what racial abuse was (still allegedly?) aimed at Morelos. Why you think I’m lying I don’t know.
You might like to be a bit less personal if you want this thread to improve. Are insults helping? What have I said that is incorrect? Sorry if it wasn’t structured adequately or fluently, I’m watching fra sui too.
Insults? It's an honest bit of feedback for that terrible post. Posts like that, and your opinions in the Scottish Politics thread are deeply unhealthy. You might like to be a bit less personal if you want this thread to improve. Are insults helping? What have I said that is incorrect? Sorry if it wasn’t structured adequately or fluently, I’m watching fra sui too.
Anyways, I'm done with this as it's already going way off topic into things I've got no interest in getting in to.
Driver101 said:
Insults? It's an honest bit of feedback for that terrible post. Posts like that, and your opinions in the Scottish Politics thread are deeply unhealthy.
Anyways, I'm done with this as it's already going way off topic into things I've got no interest in getting in to.
I can take that you think the post was terrible. It was a bit of a ramble and a rant. I feel we should be free to discuss political influence and decisions on Scottish Football on the Scottish Football thread.Anyways, I'm done with this as it's already going way off topic into things I've got no interest in getting in to.
But attacking someone’s genuinely held opinions on this thread and referencing another thread… is that the sort of discussion you want? Or would you prefer everyone on here just shared opinions with which you agree?
dalzo said:
A few on here will be devastated at this news, they already had the players guilty. Wonder if they admit they were wrong?
Why wait for facts and miss an opportunity for Rangers bashing. The edited version originally posted by somebody called 'williew
ker' (I doubt he was a professional btw), was taken down quickly but once out there was recirculated by Celtic fans because it was what they wanted to hear. The unedited version was out at the same time and you have to question why so many chose to believe 'williewkers' version. I heard of some celtic fans insisting they heard the phrase played James Maddison singing the song because they thought it was the Rangers version. The mental gymnastics by posters on here were embarrassing but the input from the politicians was quite frankly disgraceful.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff