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scoopdydoo

395 posts

90 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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It is fitting that, as the biggest club in Scotland, Celtic can call the shots on when the break should be played and all but one of the other smaller clubs falls in line.

Also great that with the tweet about their '150th' (10th) anniversary celebrations, Sevco has actually inadvertently reminded a lot of English sports journalists with actual integrity the original club were liquidated without ever winning the most major of European trophies. What an embarrassing tweet for them.

hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Shambler said:
So we should just follow what one club wants? The Rangers football club have shown already they have very little integrity of any kind.
If we had strong leadership they would have made their own decision. Instead they passed it to clubs so they can try to wash their hands of any responsibility. Of course it becomes tribal and many fans refuse to see other viewpoints or the bigger picture.


Terzo123

4,325 posts

209 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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scoopdydoo said:
It is fitting that, as the biggest club in Scotland, Celtic can call the shots on when the break should be played and all but one of the other smaller clubs falls in line.

Also great that with the tweet about their '150th' (10th) anniversary celebrations, Sevco has actually inadvertently reminded a lot of English sports journalists with actual integrity the original club were liquidated without ever winning the most major of European trophies. What an embarrassing tweet for them.
Some of the replies to that tweet are brilliant.

A proper good laugh.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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hongkongdonkey said:
If we had strong leadership they would have made their own decision. Instead they passed it to clubs so they can try to wash their hands of any responsibility. Of course it becomes tribal and many fans refuse to see other viewpoints or the bigger picture.
The SPFL has been accused of being run by Celtic, corrupt, incompetent and not willing to listen to clubs. Rangers pick a fight with the SPFL at every opportunity.

If the SPFL made the decision themselves we know exactly what would have happened. The SPFL are too scared to make a decision Rangers won't like because of the turmoil and fighting it will cause. This time they've listened to the clubs and Rangers fans are still attacking the SPFL.

It's only tribal behaviour by one set of fans. Just about everyone else understands the situation without turning it into this nonsense. Accept the decision of the other clubs. Show some respect to the overwhelming support in the vote.

Rangers need to start accepting they are part of Scottish football rather than picking fights and causing division at every chance they get.

Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 30th December 16:47

Drive Blind

5,101 posts

178 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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the brass neck of that "becoming the first major European club to reach their 150th anniversary" tweet


hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Driver101 said:
The SPFL has been accused of being run by Celtic, corrupt, incompetent and not willing to listen to clubs. Rangers pick a fight with the SPFL at every opportunity.
Were they seriously not allowed a different viewpoint? I think the order was clubs present views and then SPFL make decision. Rangers haven't criticised the decision. It's worth noting that a number of clubs including have criticised the performance of SPFL, it isn't just a Rangers thing.

Driver101 said:
If the SPFL made the decision themselves we know exactly what would have happened. The SPFL are too scared to make a decision Rangers won't like because of the turmoil and fighting it will cause. This time they've listened to the clubs and Rangers fans are still attacking the SPFL.
As would any set of fans who didn't get what they wanted. As Jim Goodwin and James McPake did when they didn't get their games postponed. It's allowed.

Driver101 said:
It's only tribal behaviour by one set of fans.
biglaughbiglaugh mmm

Driver101 said:
Just about everyone else understands the situation without turning it into this nonsense. Accept the decision of the other clubs. Show some respect to the overwhelming support in the vote.
I understand the views of most of the other clubs, probably with the exception of Aberdeen. It doesn't mean anybody has to accept that it was the right thing to do though.

Driver101 said:
Rangers need to start accepting they are part of Scottish football rather than picking fights and causing division at every chance they get.
I think every club should be ensuring that Scottish football is being run in the best possible way. I'd be interested to hear how you think Rangers have created division here, I don't think they have been particularly vocal.

To be honest, I find it strange that so many scottish football fans seem to have an issue with one of the only clubs who actually wanted to play football.

Edited by hongkongdonkey on Thursday 30th December 17:26

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Whataboutery, drivel and irrelevant factors in big doses.

The winter break has been called early by 11 clubs. Deal with it and stop whinging and trying to make issues that don't exist.







hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Driver101 said:
Whataboutery, drivel and irrelevant factors in big doses.

The winter break has been called early by 11 clubs. Deal with it and stop whinging and trying to make issues that don't exist.
This just screams 'I can't back up what I said'. biglaugh

This is the internet, people have different opinions.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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hongkongdonkey said:
This just screams 'I can't back up what I said'. biglaugh

This is the internet, people have different opinions.
Does it?

It shouldn't. It should scream frustration that we've done this 100x before and going around in frustrating circles.



Going back to the original point prior to you going off on one.

hongkongdonkey said:
Shambler said:
So we should just follow what one club wants? The Rangers football club have shown already they have very little integrity of any kind.
If we had strong leadership they would have made their own decision. Instead they passed it to clubs so they can try to wash their hands of any responsibility. Of course it becomes tribal and many fans refuse to see other viewpoints or the bigger picture.
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and moved forward the winter break without asking the clubs to vote, what do you think the reaction would be within the Rangers camp?

Do you think they would say well done strong governance by the SPFL and accept the decision, or do you think it would lead to accusations of corruption, cheating and favouritism?





hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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Driver101 said:
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and moved forward the winter break without asking the clubs to vote, what do you think the reaction would be within the Rangers camp?

Do you think they would say well done strong governance by the SPFL and accept the decision, or do you think it would lead to accusations of corruption, cheating and favouritism?
Interesting change in wording. Rangers haven't reacted in any way to the decision which makes

Driver101 said:
Rangers pick a fight with the SPFL at every opportunity.

Rangers need to start accepting they are part of Scottish football rather than picking fights and causing division at every chance they get.
this nonsense.

If, by adding 'camp', you want to include McGregor's comments, then I suppose they wouldn't have been made at all as it applied to clubs being able to gain a sporting advantage. The only reaction would be from Rangers fans and to be honest I think there is a long way to go before the SPFL can be trusted. As much as you like to trump out the 'Rangers are picking a fight' narrative it is worth remembering that Parks have had two judgements in their favour in the case against the SPFL so far and that the SFA compliance officer is currently investigating if the SPFL broke rules when dealing with Rangers.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Thursday 30th December 2021
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hongkongdonkey said:
Driver101 said:
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and moved forward the winter break without asking the clubs to vote, what do you think the reaction would be within the Rangers camp?

Do you think they would say well done strong governance by the SPFL and accept the decision, or do you think it would lead to accusations of corruption, cheating and favouritism?
Interesting change in wording. Rangers haven't reacted in any way to the decision which makes

Driver101 said:
Rangers pick a fight with the SPFL at every opportunity.

Rangers need to start accepting they are part of Scottish football rather than picking fights and causing division at every chance they get.
this nonsense.

If, by adding 'camp', you want to include McGregor's comments, then I suppose they wouldn't have been made at all as it applied to clubs being able to gain a sporting advantage. The only reaction would be from Rangers fans and to be honest I think there is a long way to go before the SPFL can be trusted. As much as you like to trump out the 'Rangers are picking a fight' narrative it is worth remembering that Parks have had two judgements in their favour in the case against the SPFL so far and that the SFA compliance officer is currently investigating if the SPFL broke rules when dealing with Rangers.
More whataboutery.

You made another ridiculous post and I've challenged you twice. Twice you've responded with long-winded drivel to avoid answering.




hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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Driver101 said:
More whataboutery.

You made another ridiculous post and I've challenged you twice. Twice you've responded with long-winded drivel to avoid answering.
I do apologise far taxing you with such long replies, unfortunately there are quite a lot of factually incorrect statements in your posts. Given the lack of substance to your post (again) I think it is clear what the truth is.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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hongkongdonkey said:
Driver101 said:
More whataboutery.

You made another ridiculous post and I've challenged you twice. Twice you've responded with long-winded drivel to avoid answering.
I do apologise far taxing you with such long replies, unfortunately there are quite a lot of factually incorrect statements in your posts. Given the lack of substance to your post (again) I think it is clear what the truth is.
More whataboutery.


Third attempt.

hongkongdonkey said:
Shambler said:
So we should just follow what one club wants? The Rangers football club have shown already they have very little integrity of any kind.
If we had strong leadership they would have made their own decision. Instead they passed it to clubs so they can try to wash their hands of any responsibility. Of course it becomes tribal and many fans refuse to see other viewpoints or the bigger picture.
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and started the winter break early without asking the clubs to vote what do you thinking the reaction from Rangers fans, Rangers and yourself be?

No more whataboutery, no more mental gymnastics, no more nonsense and getting all personal. Stick to the point you made.

hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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Driver101 said:
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and started the winter break early without asking the clubs to vote what do you thinking the reaction from Rangers fans, Rangers and yourself be?

No more whataboutery, no more mental gymnastics, no more nonsense and getting all personal. Stick to the point you made.
You've changed the question slightly but I answered that in its original form a couple of posts back. thumbup

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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hongkongdonkey said:
Driver101 said:
If the SPFL showed strong leadership and started the winter break early without asking the clubs to vote what do you thinking the reaction from Rangers fans, Rangers and yourself be?

No more whataboutery, no more mental gymnastics, no more nonsense and getting all personal. Stick to the point you made.
You've changed the question slightly but I answered that in its original form a couple of posts back. thumbup
hongkongdonkey said:
Driver101 said:
Driver101 said:
If the SPFL made the decision themselves we know exactly what would have happened. The SPFL are too scared to make a decision Rangers won't like because of the turmoil and fighting it will cause. This time they've listened to the clubs and Rangers fans are still attacking the SPFL.
As would any set of fans who didn't get what they wanted. As Jim Goodwin and James McPake did when they didn't get their games postponed. It's allowed.


Edited by hongkongdonkey on Thursday 30th December 17:26
For clarification.

You said the SPFL should have shown strong leadership and made the decision on their own when Shambles challenged you if we should just listen to Rangers.

However, if the SPFL made the decision on their own you know that it would have caused fighting and turmoil with Rangers?

Basically how the SPFL approached the situation was actually very balanced and fair to quell as much fighting and turmoil as they could?




dalzo

1,877 posts

137 months

Sunday 2nd January 2022
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Liverpool based journalist reporting Nathan Patterson to Everton is just about done.

12mill +4m add ons.

Sad to see him go as I had pictured him to go on and replace tav in a season or two but he’s too good a talent to stay on the bench. On the flip side it’s a tremendous bit of business to sell a squad player for that amount and kick start the play trading model. Some much needed funds for the club.


hongkongdonkey

576 posts

143 months

Sunday 2nd January 2022
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Probably the best for everyone. Not quite good enough to take Tavs spot but too good to be wasted on the bench and obviously needs games to develop further. Decent money for a squad player but he has huge potential.

Scrubs

943 posts

205 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Good deal for Rangers. Good deal for Nathan Patterson.

Just turned 20 years old and is about to become millionaire overnight.

That kind of money for an academy player who has only been used as a sub for a few games and whose sale has no impact on the first team squad is rare. Sad to see him go, but it is the selling model we will need to get used to.

He's not the finished article yet, but hopefully he gets more first team games at Everton which will also benefit the Scotland national team. Good luck to him.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Scrubs said:
Good deal for Rangers. Good deal for Nathan Patterson.

Just turned 20 years old and is about to become millionaire overnight.

That kind of money for an academy player who has only been used as a sub for a few games and whose sale has no impact on the first team squad is rare. Sad to see him go, but it is the selling model we will need to get used to.

He's not the finished article yet, but hopefully he gets more first team games at Everton which will also benefit the Scotland national team. Good luck to him.
Surely the selling model is back to front? Isn't the model developing young players and selling them on near their peak and replacing them with the next young talent? Selling your biggest prospect off at a fraction of the projected valuation and keeping a player in his 30s is the reverse of the business model that should be used.

If Paterson is the talent Rangers fans claim why sell him now if he was only going to develop and be worth more? Is this the money Rangers needed to fund the remainder of the season?

I've said for a couple of years it's strange Rangers haven't given him a chance. He barely has had any game time even against lower opposition. Last season Rangers had no pressure on them and still didn't use him.

I'm not convinced Everton is the best move. They are getting pulled into a relation battle. If he can't get a game at Rangers I don't know why anyone would expect a 20 year old to be prepared to play in the pressure of a relegation battle in the EPL.

I hope he does well to help strengthen Scottish football and future transfer fees. £10m is a lot for a completely unproven talent.

hotchy

4,485 posts

127 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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Its a terrible move on the facts Patterson won't play. He will however get loans and join the EPL loan merry-go-round Chelsea and City do to youngsters. Rangers was not playing him anyway so mays well grab the money.

As for rangers it's a good move as it doesn't weaken the team much and they can keep the lights on and maybe even spend a little.


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