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Driver101 said:
I'm not convinced Everton is the best move. They are getting pulled into a relation battle. If he can't get a game at Rangers I don't know why anyone would expect a 20 year old to be prepared to play in the pressure of a relegation battle in the EPL.
this is my view of the move,I don't follow the EPL closely but I would have thought a signing to support their short term EPL survival would have been the priority? I assume Newcastle will splash the cash and get stronger in the 2nd half of the season.
Or is £10M considered so little now in the EPL ?
Driver101 said:
Surely the selling model is back to front? Isn't the model developing young players and selling them on near their peak and replacing them with the next young talent? Selling your biggest prospect off at a fraction of the projected valuation and keeping a player in his 30s is the reverse of the business model that should be used.
If Paterson is the talent Rangers fans claim why sell him now if he was only going to develop and be worth more? Is this the money Rangers needed to fund the remainder of the season?
I've said for a couple of years it's strange Rangers haven't given him a chance. He barely has had any game time even against lower opposition. Last season Rangers had no pressure on them and still didn't use him.
I'm not convinced Everton is the best move. They are getting pulled into a relation battle. If he can't get a game at Rangers I don't know why anyone would expect a 20 year old to be prepared to play in the pressure of a relegation battle in the EPL.
I hope he does well to help strengthen Scottish football and future transfer fees. £10m is a lot for a completely unproven talent.
Who is going to pay up to 16m for a player that is 30 when they can have his successor and a player in most fans opinions just a fraction off being his equal. Patterson is also a full international too.If Paterson is the talent Rangers fans claim why sell him now if he was only going to develop and be worth more? Is this the money Rangers needed to fund the remainder of the season?
I've said for a couple of years it's strange Rangers haven't given him a chance. He barely has had any game time even against lower opposition. Last season Rangers had no pressure on them and still didn't use him.
I'm not convinced Everton is the best move. They are getting pulled into a relation battle. If he can't get a game at Rangers I don't know why anyone would expect a 20 year old to be prepared to play in the pressure of a relegation battle in the EPL.
I hope he does well to help strengthen Scottish football and future transfer fees. £10m is a lot for a completely unproven talent.
The second paragraph can simply be answered by the price was right.it can be compared a little to tierney, why sell one of your best players who is a boyhood fan.(albeit tierney was well established in the Celtic side at that point)
at the agm the board already said they had funding to cover this season and didn’t have to sell.
The third paragraph it isnt strange at all. He plays in the captains position and tavs numbers were out of this world last season, we were also chasing and achieved an invincible league season.
He’s a phenomenal young talent and it does not surprise me to see him going to the epl, despite the negative comments from the Celtic fans on the thread.
Everton have also spent 500m in recent years so it’s buttons to them too
dalzo said:
Who is going to pay up to 16m for a player that is 30 when they can have his successor and a player in most fans opinions just a fraction off being his equal. Patterson is also a full international too.
The second paragraph can simply be answered by the price was right.it can be compared a little to tierney, why sell one of your best players who is a boyhood fan.(albeit tierney was well established in the Celtic side at that point)
at the agm the board already said they had funding to cover this season and didn’t have to sell.
The third paragraph it isnt strange at all. He plays in the captains position and tavs numbers were out of this world last season, we were also chasing and achieved an invincible league season.
He’s a phenomenal young talent and it does not surprise me to see him going to the epl, despite the negative comments from the Celtic fans on the thread.
Everton have also spent 500m in recent years so it’s buttons to them too
The transfer fee is £10m according to nearly all sources. Nobody was going to pay big money for Tavernier as he's not good enough. It's more Rangers are selling their future talent and being left with players that will be worthless soon enough. That's not how these models work for selling clubs. The second paragraph can simply be answered by the price was right.it can be compared a little to tierney, why sell one of your best players who is a boyhood fan.(albeit tierney was well established in the Celtic side at that point)
at the agm the board already said they had funding to cover this season and didn’t have to sell.
The third paragraph it isnt strange at all. He plays in the captains position and tavs numbers were out of this world last season, we were also chasing and achieved an invincible league season.
He’s a phenomenal young talent and it does not surprise me to see him going to the epl, despite the negative comments from the Celtic fans on the thread.
Everton have also spent 500m in recent years so it’s buttons to them too
History is getting rewritten with the claims about how big a captain and player Tavernier is. There has been numerous campaigns to strip him of the captaincy for his comments and his form. These comments about how Tavernier was irreplaceable or undroppable being fed to Everton fans don't match the truth.
Tavernier's numbers were exception in Scotland at the start of last season, that was after years of being bang average, but they dropped off dramatically the second half of the season. He had an incredible purple patch for the first half of the season. Goals, penalties and assists in most games. His form dropped off a cliff for the second half of the season.
Just looking at his stats after the middle of December to the end of the premier league season he had the total of 1 assist. He was completely out of form for half a season and Paterson still couldn't get game time as a substitute.
It can't be compared to Tierney. Tierney wanted to move on after playing and winning everything with Celtic for years. There was big question marks over this future with a number of serious injuries. His start at Arsenal was also hampered by injuries. Accepting £25m was a good deal at the time especially with the fear his career was going to be affected by serious injury.
Paterson is a full international and has done well in the games against Faroe Islands and Moldova when we've been of the front foot. In the game against Israel when he was tested defensively he had a really poor game. He was flustered. He's going to get that pressure a lot in the EPL.
Everton have spent too much money, but squandered a lot of it. That why the club has been making massive losses for years. They were scraping around with free and cheap transfers this season. At the start of the season they spent a total of £1.8m. It looks as if their finances are starting to bite. They've also got a new stadium to fund.
Everton are heading for a relegation battle. They need a ready made players to improve their team. I think too much pressure and hype is being placed on Paterson's shoulders.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 3rd January 18:30
Driver101 said:
The transfer fee is £10m according to nearly all sources. Nobody was going to pay big money for Tavernier as he's not good enough. It's more Rangers are selling their future talent and being left with players that will be worthless soon enough. That's not how these models work for selling clubs.
History is getting rewritten with the claims about how big a captain and player Tavernier is. There has been numerous campaigns to strip him of the captaincy for his comments and his form. These comments about how Tavernier was irreplaceable or undroppable being fed to Everton fans don't match the truth.
Tavernier's numbers were exception in Scotland at the start of last season, that was after years of being bang average, but they dropped off dramatically the second half of the season. He had an incredible purple patch for the first half of the season. Goals, penalties and assists in most games. His form dropped off a cliff for the second half of the season.
Just looking at his stats after the middle of December to the end of the premier league season he had the total of 1 assist. He was completely out of form for half a season and Paterson still couldn't get game time as a substitute.
It can't be compared to Tierney. Tierney wanted to move on after playing and winning everything with Celtic for years. There was big question marks over this future with a number of serious injuries. His start at Arsenal was also hampered by injuries. Accepting £25m was a good deal at the time especially with the fear his career was going to be affected by serious injury.
Paterson is a full international and has done well in the games against Faroe Islands and Moldova when we've been of the front foot. In the game against Israel when he was tested defensively he had a really poor game. He was flustered. He's going to get that pressure a lot in the EPL.
Everton have spent too much money, but squandered a lot of it. That why the club has been making massive losses for years. They were scraping around with free and cheap transfers this season. At the start of the season they spent a total of £1.8m. It looks as if their finances are starting to bite. They've also got a new stadium to fund.
Everton are heading for a relegation battle. They need a ready made players to improve their team. I think too much pressure and hype is being placed on Paterson's shoulders.
What sources? Fabrizio Romano is saying it’s 12mill plus addons.History is getting rewritten with the claims about how big a captain and player Tavernier is. There has been numerous campaigns to strip him of the captaincy for his comments and his form. These comments about how Tavernier was irreplaceable or undroppable being fed to Everton fans don't match the truth.
Tavernier's numbers were exception in Scotland at the start of last season, that was after years of being bang average, but they dropped off dramatically the second half of the season. He had an incredible purple patch for the first half of the season. Goals, penalties and assists in most games. His form dropped off a cliff for the second half of the season.
Just looking at his stats after the middle of December to the end of the premier league season he had the total of 1 assist. He was completely out of form for half a season and Paterson still couldn't get game time as a substitute.
It can't be compared to Tierney. Tierney wanted to move on after playing and winning everything with Celtic for years. There was big question marks over this future with a number of serious injuries. His start at Arsenal was also hampered by injuries. Accepting £25m was a good deal at the time especially with the fear his career was going to be affected by serious injury.
Paterson is a full international and has done well in the games against Faroe Islands and Moldova when we've been of the front foot. In the game against Israel when he was tested defensively he had a really poor game. He was flustered. He's going to get that pressure a lot in the EPL.
Everton have spent too much money, but squandered a lot of it. That why the club has been making massive losses for years. They were scraping around with free and cheap transfers this season. At the start of the season they spent a total of £1.8m. It looks as if their finances are starting to bite. They've also got a new stadium to fund.
Everton are heading for a relegation battle. They need a ready made players to improve their team. I think too much pressure and hype is being placed on Paterson's shoulders.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 3rd January 18:30
If nobody is going to pay money then why contradict your last post where you said” Selling your biggest prospect off at a fraction of the projected valuation and keeping a player in his 30s”
What sort of logic is that your using? “Hawking off your highest asset when you should be selling tav but no one will buy him anyway” seems just a bit bitter rangers a getting a good fee and trying to play it down.
I think your skewing stats a little to prove a point, your saying he only had one assist from December to the end of the season but we had one of the best defensive records in the world last season. Not only that but he was named in a team of the year for teams outside the top 5 leagues and that was gauged on overall performance.
It can in that tierney was a top player and stick on for the captaincy after brown and the team was weakened when he left while still chasing ten in a row. He left because the price was right. And that is the same for all players at the old firm clubs.
Patterson will no doubt find it harder down there and be on the back foot but one bad game does not a bad player make.he scored and got the assist in the game against Moldova and cemented the position as his to lose. Every game for rangers he’s been nothing less than an 8/10.
Wether he makes it down there will remain to be seen but Scotland will get the gains from it and he has all the attributes to make it.
dalzo said:
What sources? Fabrizio Romano is saying it’s 12mill plus addons.
If nobody is going to pay money then why contradict your last post where you said” Selling your biggest prospect off at a fraction of the projected valuation and keeping a player in his 30s”
What sort of logic is that your using? “Hawking off your highest asset when you should be selling tav but no one will buy him anyway” seems just a bit bitter rangers a getting a good fee and trying to play it down.
I think your skewing stats a little to prove a point, your saying he only had one assist from December to the end of the season but we had one of the best defensive records in the world last season. Not only that but he was named in a team of the year for teams outside the top 5 leagues and that was gauged on overall performance.
It can in that tierney was a top player and stick on for the captaincy after brown and the team was weakened when he left while still chasing ten in a row. He left because the price was right. And that is the same for all players at the old firm clubs.
Patterson will no doubt find it harder down there and be on the back foot but one bad game does not a bad player make.he scored and got the assist in the game against Moldova and cemented the position as his to lose. Every game for rangers he’s been nothing less than an 8/10.
Wether he makes it down there will remain to be seen but Scotland will get the gains from it and he has all the attributes to make it.
Fabrizio Romano said it was €11m.(£9.5m). The BBC and most of the tabloids reported £10m. Add ons are not guaranteed. If nobody is going to pay money then why contradict your last post where you said” Selling your biggest prospect off at a fraction of the projected valuation and keeping a player in his 30s”
What sort of logic is that your using? “Hawking off your highest asset when you should be selling tav but no one will buy him anyway” seems just a bit bitter rangers a getting a good fee and trying to play it down.
I think your skewing stats a little to prove a point, your saying he only had one assist from December to the end of the season but we had one of the best defensive records in the world last season. Not only that but he was named in a team of the year for teams outside the top 5 leagues and that was gauged on overall performance.
It can in that tierney was a top player and stick on for the captaincy after brown and the team was weakened when he left while still chasing ten in a row. He left because the price was right. And that is the same for all players at the old firm clubs.
Patterson will no doubt find it harder down there and be on the back foot but one bad game does not a bad player make.he scored and got the assist in the game against Moldova and cemented the position as his to lose. Every game for rangers he’s been nothing less than an 8/10.
Wether he makes it down there will remain to be seen but Scotland will get the gains from it and he has all the attributes to make it.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/14777429...
I knew if I responded it would end up a game of you trying to twist and misreading things. It does make it impossible to have a conversation.
Rangers fans are predicting Paterson is going to be a top player. Selling him off at £10m when he's not had the chance to prove he's worth far more makes little sense. He should have been playing to increase his value.
I never said nobody would buy Tavernier. I said nobody was paying big money for Tavernier after you made the comment about who is paying up to £16m for a 30 year old. Newcastle are about to pay £25-30m for 31 year old Tripper.
Tavernier isn't good enough in the EPL. He'd command a few million from a championship level team.
Skewing the stats? First thing everyone talks about Tavernier is about how many assists and goals he's got. Everyone was saying he was playing poorly half of last season and the stats prove it. Rangers were hardly tested in what was a poor season influenced by covid. Tavernier isn't good at defending regardless of what the premier league stats of last season show.
Bitter.
. I've already said I want him to do good for the benefit of Scottish Football and future transfer fees. I could guarantee you'd go down this route by totally missing what I've said. I want Paterson to go down there and be a huge success. I'd like it to further influence teams that coming up here and spending big money isn't such a big risk.
Driver101 said:
Fabrizio Romano said it was €11m.(£9.5m). The BBC and most of the tabloids reported £10m. Add ons are not guaranteed.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/14777429...
I knew if I responded it would end up a game of you trying to twist and misreading things. It does make it impossible to have a conversation.
Rangers fans are predicting Paterson is going to be a top player. Selling him off at £10m when he's not had the chance to prove he's worth far more makes little sense. He should have been playing to increase his value.
I never said nobody would buy Tavernier. I said nobody was paying big money for Tavernier after you made the comment about who is paying up to £16m for a 30 year old. Newcastle are about to pay £25-30m for 31 year old Tripper.
Tavernier isn't good enough in the EPL. He'd command a few million from a championship level team.
Skewing the stats? First thing everyone talks about Tavernier is about how many assists and goals he's got. Everyone was saying he was playing poorly half of last season and the stats prove it. Rangers were hardly tested in what was a poor season influenced by covid. Tavernier isn't good at defending regardless of what the premier league stats of last season show.
Bitter.. I've already said I want him to do good for the benefit of Scottish Football and future transfer fees. I could guarantee you'd go down this route by totally missing what I've said.
I want Paterson to go down there and be a huge success. I'd like it to further influence teams that coming up here and spending big money isn't such a big risk.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1477943317044338688?s=21https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/14777429...
I knew if I responded it would end up a game of you trying to twist and misreading things. It does make it impossible to have a conversation.
Rangers fans are predicting Paterson is going to be a top player. Selling him off at £10m when he's not had the chance to prove he's worth far more makes little sense. He should have been playing to increase his value.
I never said nobody would buy Tavernier. I said nobody was paying big money for Tavernier after you made the comment about who is paying up to £16m for a 30 year old. Newcastle are about to pay £25-30m for 31 year old Tripper.
Tavernier isn't good enough in the EPL. He'd command a few million from a championship level team.
Skewing the stats? First thing everyone talks about Tavernier is about how many assists and goals he's got. Everyone was saying he was playing poorly half of last season and the stats prove it. Rangers were hardly tested in what was a poor season influenced by covid. Tavernier isn't good at defending regardless of what the premier league stats of last season show.
Bitter.
. I've already said I want him to do good for the benefit of Scottish Football and future transfer fees. I could guarantee you'd go down this route by totally missing what I've said. I want Paterson to go down there and be a huge success. I'd like it to further influence teams that coming up here and spending big money isn't such a big risk.
What have I twisted? Why are you going on the defensive, you putting a negative spin on a sale of a player and I’m showing you otherwise. Jesus Christ.
How on Earth does selling him make little sense, he is an amazing prospect but even by your own admission he’s had very little game time, rangers are getting absolute top dollar for him considering his circumstances. Do they sell with the facts that he has amazing potential but hasn’t featured and his sale doesn’t weaken the team or do they hold on, Everton move on and he doesn’t fulfil the potential or gets a bad injury.
Tav is our captain,first on the team sheet, putting in better stats than Patterson with smaller resale value, it doesn’t make sense to sell him and keep Paterson. Trippier has just won la liga and is a full England international going to the richest club in the world that comparison is way off.
Saying he isn’t good enough is a matter of opinion I would say he’d cut it no probs at a bottom to middle club.
Yeah skewing the stats! You’ve picked one stat over from December to the end of the season. That’s picking to form an agenda. What stats prove it? I’ve used a stat that shows his overall game over the course of an entire season show he was the best in the world outside of the top 5 leagues, prior to that season he was ranked as the best defender in the Europa league so “everyone saying he was playing poorly” is just wrong
Please don’t make a fool of yourself by saying rangers were hardly tested it was a full domestic season against the same teams and same players. I know it was painful to watch ten in a row shatter into a million pieces but the full unbeaten season was a fantastic achievement .
It seems like bitterness , why play it down then? What point have I missed?
dalzo said:
Top reply, who would have guessed made up facts and crap opinions could be countered by actual facts
No, I'm walking away as you're getting angry, confrontational and insulting as per usual. You're impossible to speak to. You come on here with severe prejudice and lose the plot at the easiest of things. The way you misread and twist everything makes it impossible to hold a conversation. There's no point wasting time trying to explain as it's just a wall of obtuseness.
Try to keep this thread decent this year. Somehow I think it's only going to get worse.
Sleep it off.
Driver101 said:
No, I'm walking away as you're getting angry, confrontational and insulting as per usual.
You're impossible to speak to. You come on here with severe prejudice and lose the plot at the easiest of things. The way you misread and twist everything makes it impossible to hold a conversation. There's no point wasting time trying to explain as it's just a wall of obtuseness.
Try to keep this thread decent this year. Somehow I think it's only going to get worse.
Sleep it off.
Where to even begin with this victim playing nonsense.You're impossible to speak to. You come on here with severe prejudice and lose the plot at the easiest of things. The way you misread and twist everything makes it impossible to hold a conversation. There's no point wasting time trying to explain as it's just a wall of obtuseness.
Try to keep this thread decent this year. Somehow I think it's only going to get worse.
Sleep it off.
No one is getting angry, confrontational and insulting I’m asking you to present facts, up until now you’ve only presented opinions as facts, I’ve showed you actual facts and now your retreating and throwing out mad accusations.
Please don’t keep entering debates if your going to lose then throw out false and petty accusations. You can be better than that, it can even be your new year resolution
Fabrizio Romano https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/14783923...
Official and confirmed. Nathan Patterson joins Everton from Rangers on a permanent move for £12m plus bonuses.
Contract until June 2027. Lucas Digne now expected to leave the club as next step.
Official and confirmed. Nathan Patterson joins Everton from Rangers on a permanent move for £12m plus bonuses.
Contract until June 2027. Lucas Digne now expected to leave the club as next step.
Scrubs said:
''Derek McInnes has agreed an 18-month deal to become the new manager of Scottish Championship club Kilmarnock''
Called that one a while ago! Be interesting to see how it pans out. Could be a decent move for Killie and McInnes.
Interesting to see him go to the championship as he could have probably got a job in the spfl at the end of the season.Called that one a while ago! Be interesting to see how it pans out. Could be a decent move for Killie and McInnes.
I think he could turn them around
If restrictions stay past the 17th I think Scottish clubs should look to booking stadiums down England just like the rugby. Not only will fans travel, it may force the goverments hand to stop this daftness.
Cant wait for the season to kick off again though and get a look at new players and enjoy the ride. Its going to be the best title race in a decade, exciting stuff.
Cant wait for the season to kick off again though and get a look at new players and enjoy the ride. Its going to be the best title race in a decade, exciting stuff.
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