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Zoon said:
But if you only have two subs surely some get more time than others?
2 off, 2 on, do that every 10 minutes, depending on how long they play, using different players each time. I too had a spreadsheet that I used from Under 9's I think up to Under 12. Last year at U12 (9v9) we had 13 players in the squad, 1 regular goalkeeper, 12 outfield players. 540 Minutes available in total ie. 60 minutes x 9 players. 540 minus 60 for the goalkeeper = 480 minutes across 12 outfield players = 40 minutes each. 4 on 4 off at 20 minutes and 4 on 4 off at 40 minutes. Started the games with a different 4 subs every week and rotated positions as much as possible. Worked a treat.
If sometimes we had a smaller squad on a matchday I just had to recalculate, some times giving outfield players 48 minutes each and making subs at 12, 24, 36 and 48 minutes!
Injuries, I'd send a sub on, dust the injured player down, get them back ready and then take the player who came on as a temp sub back off.
Never had a complaint from a parent about lack of game time for their kids.
Where there's a will.
Edited by anniesdad on Tuesday 16th October 09:20
Zoon said:
But if you only have two subs surely some get more time than others?
It gets complicated - and it also depends if you are play 5, 7, 9 or 11 a-side But basically everyone gets equal game time, so in a five a side - I usually have three subs.
4 quarters of 10 minutes and eight players.
5 x 40 = 200 minutes of playing time. 200 / 8 = 25 minutes each.
Kitchski said:
Thanks. I can see how my post comes across like that, but with the twins it was really more to highlight how far behind all the others they are. Yes, you'll get kids who are very physical, and others who are not so much, but my two are a long way behind any of the others, to the point it stands out and makes it look like they're not trying. Then they get their teammates on their backs etc., and that's when they stop enjoying it and having fun. And it's not like they offer nothing, it's just that what they do offer tends to go unnoticed by anyone else. It's almost like they're really good at the more advanced stuff, but not so good at the basic stuff.
They do get playing time at the moment, but they're ALWAYS the ones rotated in a game (them and another lad who's even smaller, less able but does try a bit harder). There are other players who never get subbed. My worry is that in the future, they'll get less time.
My post was really asking for advice from anyone who's experienced similar, and what they did to try and help their kids without piling on the pressure or pushing them into their shells.
As I said before, trying to get them to engage physically with other players will be counterproductive. What I do with my players that don't like that side of the game is tell them that I don't want them to tackle. This, in my opinion, removes the pressure for them to do so. They instantly become less anxious. They do get playing time at the moment, but they're ALWAYS the ones rotated in a game (them and another lad who's even smaller, less able but does try a bit harder). There are other players who never get subbed. My worry is that in the future, they'll get less time.
My post was really asking for advice from anyone who's experienced similar, and what they did to try and help their kids without piling on the pressure or pushing them into their shells.
All I ask of them is they try to put pressure on an opponent. Can they try to get in their way? Can they try to slow them down? Can they try to force them into an area of the pitch that will help the team using body shape/position? Can they try to read where an opponent might pass to and cut the pass out?
Remove the emphasis on being physical to being clever!
In FA coaching speak it's Delay, Dictate Deny.
Some of my kids were also always getting hit in the face and body quite regularly because they were standing off opponents. I showed them if they went close to an opponent the ball would be more likely to hit them in the shins. Which hurts less.
Try to speak to the coach about it. If hes not interested in coaching the kids to improve then it could be time to look for a club that will.
48Valves said:
As I said before, trying to get them to engage physically with other players will be counterproductive. What I do with my players that don't like that side of the game is tell them that I don't want them to tackle. This, in my opinion, removes the pressure for them to do so. They instantly become less anxious.
All I ask of them is they try to put pressure on an opponent. Can they try to get in their way? Can they try to slow them down? Can they try to force them into an area of the pitch that will help the team using body shape/position? Can they try to read where an opponent might pass to and cut the pass out?
Remove the emphasis on being physical to being clever!
In FA coaching speak it's Delay, Dictate Deny.
Some of my kids were also always getting hit in the face and body quite regularly because they were standing off opponents. I showed them if they went close to an opponent the ball would be more likely to hit them in the shins. Which hurts less.
Try to speak to the coach about it. If hes not interested in coaching the kids to improve then it could be time to look for a club that will.
Completely agree, I tried for a number of years yelling '"get a tackle in" at small children .... it really doesn't work ! All I ask of them is they try to put pressure on an opponent. Can they try to get in their way? Can they try to slow them down? Can they try to force them into an area of the pitch that will help the team using body shape/position? Can they try to read where an opponent might pass to and cut the pass out?
Remove the emphasis on being physical to being clever!
In FA coaching speak it's Delay, Dictate Deny.
Some of my kids were also always getting hit in the face and body quite regularly because they were standing off opponents. I showed them if they went close to an opponent the ball would be more likely to hit them in the shins. Which hurts less.
Try to speak to the coach about it. If hes not interested in coaching the kids to improve then it could be time to look for a club that will.
Even Professional sides really only have three of four players that are actually able to execute great tackles. Everyone else shows them into spaces, or blocks their path and waits for a mistake, or forces a sideways/backwards pass.
In the end what you are describing is two good players who are playing at the wrong level, in another team or a lower league, they will have more time on the ball, more time to react/ create and make an impact. Don't kill their enjoyment of the game by trying to keep them to a level where they can't fully participate and feel confident about their ability.
Gargamel said:
I tried for a number of years yelling '"get a tackle in" at small children .... it really doesn't work !
I had a game a few years ago, where one of the oppositions dads was shouting out "Take him out", "smash him up", and worst of all "break his legs".Suffice to say words were had and almost had fisticuffs
Kinky said:
I had a game a few years ago, where one of the oppositions dads was shouting out "Take him out", "smash him up", and worst of all "break his legs".
Suffice to say words were had and almost had fisticuffs
There but for the grace of god go I....Suffice to say words were had and almost had fisticuffs
What a nutter. Clowns like him have no business in grassroots football or any football for that matter!
I wonder how his child feels having such a bellend as a dad...
Kitchski, I'm getting deja vu reading your story on this thread.
My tale is on the first page but the TL;DR is that my lads got to about under-11's and were getting less and less game time. They were twins too and weren't really into the physical side of the game really. The team they played for, the A team, was Division One out of four, so full of the best players in the area and my lads didn't really get a look in.
The coach and I decided that what would be best is for my two, plus two other lads in a similar position, to start up a B team (on Saturdays) within the club which was more their level. He would lend me players till I got some more of my own and then my two + the other two could make the break the following season and leave the original team.
It worked a treat. I ended up with 16 players and moved back into Sunday football at Division Two level. We were relegated in season one and took a double relegation to Division Four which we then won the following season. After a year of consolidation, we were promoted again and finished back in Division Two where we met the A team that had been relegated. Finished mid-table in the final season before we folded.
In your situation, your lads should be getting more game time and by the sounds of it, probably deserve it. I'd certainly be on the lookout for another team in the area - the lads are resilient at that age and will soon make new friends.
My tale is on the first page but the TL;DR is that my lads got to about under-11's and were getting less and less game time. They were twins too and weren't really into the physical side of the game really. The team they played for, the A team, was Division One out of four, so full of the best players in the area and my lads didn't really get a look in.
The coach and I decided that what would be best is for my two, plus two other lads in a similar position, to start up a B team (on Saturdays) within the club which was more their level. He would lend me players till I got some more of my own and then my two + the other two could make the break the following season and leave the original team.
It worked a treat. I ended up with 16 players and moved back into Sunday football at Division Two level. We were relegated in season one and took a double relegation to Division Four which we then won the following season. After a year of consolidation, we were promoted again and finished back in Division Two where we met the A team that had been relegated. Finished mid-table in the final season before we folded.
In your situation, your lads should be getting more game time and by the sounds of it, probably deserve it. I'd certainly be on the lookout for another team in the area - the lads are resilient at that age and will soon make new friends.
JQ said:
You don't, equal game time isn't per game, but over the season. Quite easy to do so long as the manager is organised. I run a spreadsheet for my team.
Me too....I’ve even roped my wife in as “stato” to track when I substitute who and for how long etc....saves me making notes on that during the game and then I update the spreadsheet afterwards.Does anyone have good training drills & or can point me to resources for :
1) players getting their heads up early and making good decisions about quick pass or drive into space when in possession.
2) positional play for a 3man defence + wing-backs (maybe more of a focus on the role of the wingback when out of possession / transition ?)
This is for u15
Just had confirmation of this:
Power Play U7 U8 U9 and U10
As from Sunday 2nd December 2018 at the request of the clubs playing in the league the WFL have adopted to play Power Play
Development football is designed to create the best learning and fun experience for young players. To ensure an imbalance in ability does not spoil this, the FA has approved 'Power Play' as an option that mini-soccer and youth leagues can adopt.
If a team is losing by a four goal difference they can put an additional player on – so 5v5 becomes 6v5.
If the score returns to less than a four goal difference the team takes off a player.
It does not have to be the last player to come on.
If a team goes on to be losing by a six goal difference a further additional player can be added – so 6v5 becomes 7v5.
The main aim of the Power Play option is that all players are being challenged and enjoying the game.
Power Play is available through all mini-soccer football formats 5v5 and 7v7
Power Play U7 U8 U9 and U10
As from Sunday 2nd December 2018 at the request of the clubs playing in the league the WFL have adopted to play Power Play
Development football is designed to create the best learning and fun experience for young players. To ensure an imbalance in ability does not spoil this, the FA has approved 'Power Play' as an option that mini-soccer and youth leagues can adopt.
If a team is losing by a four goal difference they can put an additional player on – so 5v5 becomes 6v5.
If the score returns to less than a four goal difference the team takes off a player.
It does not have to be the last player to come on.
If a team goes on to be losing by a six goal difference a further additional player can be added – so 6v5 becomes 7v5.
The main aim of the Power Play option is that all players are being challenged and enjoying the game.
Power Play is available through all mini-soccer football formats 5v5 and 7v7
Be careful out there people - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6986331/F...
There are some strange people out there.
There are some strange people out there.
ThorB said:
Be careful out there people - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6986331/F...
There are some strange people out there.
You can't beat playing the old race card when things don't go your own way.There are some strange people out there.
The bloke sounds mental.
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