The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 11]
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Pommygranite said:
Flip Martian said:
Pommygranite said:
Our issue isn't so much not scoring...
Really? So when did you see one of our players one on one with the oppo goalie and get really excited expecting him to score? If that's recently, then fair enough, but I don't. Ever. Its a pleasant surprise now when we do score. Cherry picking the matches when we scored loads of goals after Klopp took over doesn't really show the real picture. I actually did say the defence needs sorting too, but without goals you won't win anything. Frankly if we'd taken our chances over the last 3 months there would be a lot less moaning on here.
We have however leaked furiously. There's no denying that.
If Mignolet hadn't made so many mistakes we'd have another 15 points which incredibly would make us 2nd - not that I think we would be. And that's without us scoring any more goals than we have.
I think we will improve if we change some players (but not all of them like some are suggesting). Most games we have one or two people who do well, but since they all need to play in a similar way/ place then it really makes it hard for a lot of people to play well at the same time. It's pretty clear though that Rodgers strategy/ player choice is generally not the biggest problem, but rather the players bought when he was in charge.
The walkout not effective? Absolute nonsense. Let me elaborate...
What is happening right now is a businesses worst nightmare. Failure of keeping a key stakeholder (the fans in this case) happy will always lead to trouble and this is effectively what the club and FSG have done. Both the club and FSG are attracting huge negative publicity which for any business is like Dracula seeing daylight. Compounding this is the damage being done to key commercial partners, again something any business always avoids. All of this coming at a time that the club are trying to sell corporate packages in the new stand. Tell me again the walkout hasn't worked.
What is happening right now is a businesses worst nightmare. Failure of keeping a key stakeholder (the fans in this case) happy will always lead to trouble and this is effectively what the club and FSG have done. Both the club and FSG are attracting huge negative publicity which for any business is like Dracula seeing daylight. Compounding this is the damage being done to key commercial partners, again something any business always avoids. All of this coming at a time that the club are trying to sell corporate packages in the new stand. Tell me again the walkout hasn't worked.
TTmonkey said:
Fair enough, not really aware of how the cup game ticketing works. I assume if you've bought x amount of league game tickets you get a free cup ticket or something?
Members and season ticket holders have the choice to enrol on the auto cup scheme. This means as we progress through rounds LFC automatically debits their card and they are guaranteed a ticket. If you choose not to be in the auto cup scheme then you have no preference over the general unwashed for cup games. This allows LFC to fill the stadium for early round cup games vs small teams because of the fear of missing out on the big games\finals etc.Money making machine.....
m3sye said:
nope
Auto cup is a scheme for members, you pick a seat for each cup and it stays the same, you register 1p for each seat and upload you card details then any home game you get your seat and are automatically charged....
Before the season starts on the league process you are offered the chance to buy the 1st 9 home games (as 1 payment) then towards end of the year you are offered the chance again for the 2nd lot of home games
There are 100,000 member card holders and probably 10-15,000 seats for them
oh pretty complicated. Seems they have you right over a barrel. I guess this explains why the stands are always full even when a team is playing bad, and why there's a lot of booing (not just at Liverpool) from a crowd of discontents..... Auto cup is a scheme for members, you pick a seat for each cup and it stays the same, you register 1p for each seat and upload you card details then any home game you get your seat and are automatically charged....
Before the season starts on the league process you are offered the chance to buy the 1st 9 home games (as 1 payment) then towards end of the year you are offered the chance again for the 2nd lot of home games
There are 100,000 member card holders and probably 10-15,000 seats for them
I wonder how many fans walked out on Saturday at 2-0 and thought 'ah well, job done anyway, may as well join in the protest'...
The real important thing about the walkout is not going to be which minute is occurs on, not how many people do it, or how many newspapers or TV cameras pick it up, but that it gains momentum, which also means the next protest is critically important. If the walkout is visibly fewer people then FSG and Ayre will know they only have to sit it out and wait for things to die down. However if the next walkout is 15k people then maybe they'll start to think it could snowball into something a lot bigger.
?@TonyBarretTimes
Liverpool considering a review of elements of their new ticket price structure in light of Saturday's protests at Anfield.
The key thing is here is if they just lower the £77 ticket , that underlying fact is there should be 0 increases this year at Anfield based on the astronomical amount of tv money they are getting next year
To have lower most tickets to £30 would have cost the club 2m
There is tickets at £75? £71? £66? £65? £64? £62? £55? £53 all way to high
Liverpool considering a review of elements of their new ticket price structure in light of Saturday's protests at Anfield.
The key thing is here is if they just lower the £77 ticket , that underlying fact is there should be 0 increases this year at Anfield based on the astronomical amount of tv money they are getting next year
To have lower most tickets to £30 would have cost the club 2m
There is tickets at £75? £71? £66? £65? £64? £62? £55? £53 all way to high
Edited by m3sye on Monday 8th February 11:18
https://twitter.com/LFCFansCorner/status/696648546...
Should be 2 pages there from 1 article from the Times... by Tony BARRET
Should be 2 pages there from 1 article from the Times... by Tony BARRET
Aside from the ticket protest, I really want to hear people's thoughts on what Leicester are doing right now.
I know after the last few seasons, the "moneyball" approach to transfers is pretty much dead in the eyes of most on here, in fact it's been largely derided as something that works in baseball but not the Premier League.
But the moneyball approach is exactly what Leicester have used perfectly. Huth, an old stalwart thought to have no value by Chelsea now a rock in defence. Mahrez and Vardy both talented forwards plucked from the lower leagues. Tottenham to some extent too. They may have spent a bit of money to get to the squad they have today, but the actual cost of their starting XI and squad is really not that high.
Surely our transfer committee must be looking towards Leicester quite enviously right now? Or do you think that there are differences between us and them which means this moneyball approach works for them but not us?
I know after the last few seasons, the "moneyball" approach to transfers is pretty much dead in the eyes of most on here, in fact it's been largely derided as something that works in baseball but not the Premier League.
But the moneyball approach is exactly what Leicester have used perfectly. Huth, an old stalwart thought to have no value by Chelsea now a rock in defence. Mahrez and Vardy both talented forwards plucked from the lower leagues. Tottenham to some extent too. They may have spent a bit of money to get to the squad they have today, but the actual cost of their starting XI and squad is really not that high.
Surely our transfer committee must be looking towards Leicester quite enviously right now? Or do you think that there are differences between us and them which means this moneyball approach works for them but not us?
Edited by jammy_basturd on Monday 8th February 11:39
jammy_basturd said:
Aside from the ticket protest, I really want to hear people's thoughts on what Leicester are doing right now. I know after the last few seasons, the "moneyball" approach to transfers is pretty much dead in the eyes of most on here, but is that not exactly what Leicester have used perfectly? Huth, an old stalwart thought to have no value by Chelsea now a rock in defence. Mahrez and Vardy both talented forwards plucked from the lower leagues.
Surely our transfer committee must be looking towards Leicester quite enviously right now? Or do you think that there are differences between us and them which means this moneyball approach works for them but not us?
I always rated Ranieri when he was at Chelsea (pre Abramovitch) and he was dumped rather unfairly, I thought. They don't have a terribly deep squad but seem to have survived fairly unscathed for the most part. I think it would be a very different story with our injury record! Having said that, he clearly has them playing as a team and they're doing brilliantly, with self belief. They've lost the "fear" of bigger teams now and believe they can win every game. Must be a GREAT time to be a Leicester fan right now. Maybe it won't be replicated next season and maybe they'll have a bad run of injuries and miss out on the title; I hope not. But either way, I hope Ranieri can keep this going and develop something at Leicester over the next few years.Surely our transfer committee must be looking towards Leicester quite enviously right now? Or do you think that there are differences between us and them which means this moneyball approach works for them but not us?
But in terms of transfers, they've spent very little but clearly have a very talented squad. OK, maybe not a depth of talent, but they have a great spine to their team in Schmeichel, Huth, Kante, Mahrez and Vardy and the players around the periphery are good enough.
If they do get into the Champions League next season, and I really hope they do, I can see them doing OK for themselves. I actually see very strong parallels between this Leicester team and the Benitez Liverpool era. Very well organised, defend quite well, but counter superbly.
If they do get into the Champions League next season, and I really hope they do, I can see them doing OK for themselves. I actually see very strong parallels between this Leicester team and the Benitez Liverpool era. Very well organised, defend quite well, but counter superbly.
jammy_basturd said:
I seriously hope any protests continue throughout any such review.
Agreed, All those people who said it was pointless must feel a bit stupid now...
This is a staged protest and if they think simply removing £77 tickets will help they are badly wrong......
Nice to see Klopp had this at Dortmund too and backed the fans, he needs us and FSG know that...
A10 said:
Flip Martian said:
Really? So when did you see one of our players one on one with the oppo goalie and get really excited expecting him to score? If that's recently, then fair enough, but I don't. Ever. Its a pleasant surprise now when we do score.
Milner when clean through against Norwich a few weeks ago.On Leicester: I love them, fairy story come true. Hope they can see it through.
However, its the perfect year for a fairy story.
Three big clubs are not competing for the top three: Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea. Who saw that coming? So they've got less real opposition this one year than any other year. (taking NOTHING from them though, huge respect)
The also had a reasonably soft opening 12 games to the season I think - this built huge confidence and allowed them to string some great results together. I remember commentators saying that they've "yet to be tested". But the facts are you don't win the league if you cant beat all the 'other' teams as well as doing well against the 'top 4'.
Now they have February, against Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Norwich. So the three main teams they play have 8 or 9 games in feb, against 4 for Leicester. lucky break that.
I was considering how many points Leicester needed out of February to be in a position to win the league, well they've got 6 from 12 already, with Arsenal away and Norwich at home. I thought they'd beat Norwich, but would need to beat one of the others to get 6 points. They could get 9 or 10 from 12 now, realistically. Or even 12. Wow.
It seems to make little difference to Leicester whether they play home or away either.
Their team was bargain priced true. I've been saying for several seasons that too many top clubs seem to think the answer can only be expensive foreign players. Paying top money for mediocre players who don't perform on a rainy Monday night up north against teams they've never heard of before.... it has to make a difference doesn't it?
And then money. Some people perform fantastically no matter how much you pay them. And some don't. Its a human frailty.
God I hope they win the PL.
However, its the perfect year for a fairy story.
Three big clubs are not competing for the top three: Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea. Who saw that coming? So they've got less real opposition this one year than any other year. (taking NOTHING from them though, huge respect)
The also had a reasonably soft opening 12 games to the season I think - this built huge confidence and allowed them to string some great results together. I remember commentators saying that they've "yet to be tested". But the facts are you don't win the league if you cant beat all the 'other' teams as well as doing well against the 'top 4'.
Now they have February, against Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Norwich. So the three main teams they play have 8 or 9 games in feb, against 4 for Leicester. lucky break that.
I was considering how many points Leicester needed out of February to be in a position to win the league, well they've got 6 from 12 already, with Arsenal away and Norwich at home. I thought they'd beat Norwich, but would need to beat one of the others to get 6 points. They could get 9 or 10 from 12 now, realistically. Or even 12. Wow.
It seems to make little difference to Leicester whether they play home or away either.
Their team was bargain priced true. I've been saying for several seasons that too many top clubs seem to think the answer can only be expensive foreign players. Paying top money for mediocre players who don't perform on a rainy Monday night up north against teams they've never heard of before.... it has to make a difference doesn't it?
And then money. Some people perform fantastically no matter how much you pay them. And some don't. Its a human frailty.
God I hope they win the PL.
Although i agree with the stance the supporters have made i'm not so sure that the owners give two hoots tbh.
I get the feeling that FSG would rather have the oot's & the tourists in the ground spending bundles on their one off trip to Anfield than the ordinary supporter that is not buying this years shirt because he has last years one.
This is what FSG do for their living & let's be here they are no mugs.
For every fan that is protesting about the increase in his/her season ticket there are probably 2 or 3 waiting & willing to pay the price the owners want.
Although i do admire the Liverpool fans in this protest but unless all the other perm clubs supporters do it , then you just as well be pissing in the wind.
Spurs have something like a 40,000 waiting list prepared to pay top dollar for their football fix.
I do wish you all well though.
I get the feeling that FSG would rather have the oot's & the tourists in the ground spending bundles on their one off trip to Anfield than the ordinary supporter that is not buying this years shirt because he has last years one.
This is what FSG do for their living & let's be here they are no mugs.
For every fan that is protesting about the increase in his/her season ticket there are probably 2 or 3 waiting & willing to pay the price the owners want.
Although i do admire the Liverpool fans in this protest but unless all the other perm clubs supporters do it , then you just as well be pissing in the wind.
Spurs have something like a 40,000 waiting list prepared to pay top dollar for their football fix.
I do wish you all well though.
Edited by Black can man on Monday 8th February 12:27
TTmonkey said:
On Leicester: I love them, fairy story come true. Hope they can see it through.
However, its the perfect year for a fairy story.
Three big clubs are not competing for the top three: Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea. Who saw that coming? So they've got less real opposition this one year than any other year. (taking NOTHING from them though, huge respect)
The also had a reasonably soft opening 12 games to the season I think - this built huge confidence and allowed them to string some great results together. I remember commentators saying that they've "yet to be tested". But the facts are you don't win the league if you cant beat all the 'other' teams as well as doing well against the 'top 4'.
Now they have February, against Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Norwich. So the three main teams they play have 8 or 9 games in feb, against 4 for Leicester. lucky break that.
I was considering how many points Leicester needed out of February to be in a position to win the league, well they've got 6 from 12 already, with Arsenal away and Norwich at home. I thought they'd beat Norwich, but would need to beat one of the others to get 6 points. They could get 9 or 10 from 12 now, realistically. Or even 12. Wow.
It seems to make little difference to Leicester whether they play home or away either.
Their team was bargain priced true. I've been saying for several seasons that too many top clubs seem to think the answer can only be expensive foreign players. Paying top money for mediocre players who don't perform on a rainy Monday night up north against teams they've never heard of before.... it has to make a difference doesn't it?
And then money. Some people perform fantastically no matter how much you pay them. And some don't. Its a human frailty.
God I hope they win the PL.
Agree with all of that, TT. However, its the perfect year for a fairy story.
Three big clubs are not competing for the top three: Liverpool, Man United and Chelsea. Who saw that coming? So they've got less real opposition this one year than any other year. (taking NOTHING from them though, huge respect)
The also had a reasonably soft opening 12 games to the season I think - this built huge confidence and allowed them to string some great results together. I remember commentators saying that they've "yet to be tested". But the facts are you don't win the league if you cant beat all the 'other' teams as well as doing well against the 'top 4'.
Now they have February, against Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Norwich. So the three main teams they play have 8 or 9 games in feb, against 4 for Leicester. lucky break that.
I was considering how many points Leicester needed out of February to be in a position to win the league, well they've got 6 from 12 already, with Arsenal away and Norwich at home. I thought they'd beat Norwich, but would need to beat one of the others to get 6 points. They could get 9 or 10 from 12 now, realistically. Or even 12. Wow.
It seems to make little difference to Leicester whether they play home or away either.
Their team was bargain priced true. I've been saying for several seasons that too many top clubs seem to think the answer can only be expensive foreign players. Paying top money for mediocre players who don't perform on a rainy Monday night up north against teams they've never heard of before.... it has to make a difference doesn't it?
And then money. Some people perform fantastically no matter how much you pay them. And some don't. Its a human frailty.
God I hope they win the PL.
I'm sure I saw it on a graphic over the weekend but Leicester's starting XI on Saturday cost £22.5m, less than Benteke on his own. That's not intended as a dig at Liverpool by the way.
Leicester have a proven manager. We had Mr Rodgers.
One of Mr Rodgers last signings was Benteke whilst one of the transfer committee's last signings was Firmino. In what scenario are those 2 ever going to play well together? Especially when you already have Coutinho and Lallana who was bought the season before for the best part of 30 million.
Leicester seem to be a lot more coherent and together in their approach on and off the pitch.
Klopp has yet to have the opportunity to make his mark. I expect to see a situation where signings make sense, regardless of how much they cost. Case in point, buy a left sided centre back for 20 million in one window and then in the next window buy another left sided centre back.
One of Mr Rodgers last signings was Benteke whilst one of the transfer committee's last signings was Firmino. In what scenario are those 2 ever going to play well together? Especially when you already have Coutinho and Lallana who was bought the season before for the best part of 30 million.
Leicester seem to be a lot more coherent and together in their approach on and off the pitch.
Klopp has yet to have the opportunity to make his mark. I expect to see a situation where signings make sense, regardless of how much they cost. Case in point, buy a left sided centre back for 20 million in one window and then in the next window buy another left sided centre back.
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