The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]

[bstb3]

Yes, it's bad. He also has the lowest (i.e. best) loss % of any united manager ever (7/56). Taking draws out of the equation and a small sample size will do that. Nice picture though.

[TEKNOPUG]

franki68 said:

London424 said:

Yeah, you tell him! no other team has had to do it before.

has any team played in the europa league to semi final stage or later and made top 4 ? Struggling to think of any ,which shows how tough it is to do.

edit : checked and only chelsea managed that in the last 15 years ,no one else.

Edited by franki68 on Sunday 30th April 17:58

Which is why the sensible clubs play their second string in the EL and treat it with the contempt that it deserves. They then concentrate on a top 4 finish and CL qualification. Of course if top 4 looks too hard, you can understand why managers prioritise the EL instead...

[jammy-git]

bstb3 said:

Yes, it's bad. He also has the lowest (i.e. best) loss % of any united manager ever (7/56). Taking draws out of the equation and a small sample size will do that. Nice picture though.

Why would you take draws out of the equation? Do you not think nearly a whole season of games is statistically significant?

[Alpinestars]

m3sye said:

Crazy low that

You're not very good with stats are you Sye? You posted total bks last time and now this. You do realise that the winner of the premier league is decided on points and not wins? I guess you wouldn't know.

To bring a bit of reality to your stats, the number of league points accumulated by each manager in their first season after 34 games (pro rata for some, and taking account of the 3 points for a win system), are as follows;

Fergie 45
LVG 65
Maureen 65
Ron Atkinson 57
Moyes 57
Sexton 33

[bstb3]

I wouldnt take them out, but since the original stat quoted did I just did the same to show how distorting it can be. One season isn't really statistically significant, no - a few goals can make a difference. If the attack had their shooting boots on just a few times more often that number would be much better - comparing 18 home games against managers who have played multiples of times more isn't going to tell you much.

Its still st how little we have won at home this year though, we agree on that (just probably not the reasons why)

Edited by bstb3 on Sunday 30th April 21:29

[ORD]

TEKNOPUG said:

Which is why the sensible clubs play their second string in the EL and treat it with the contempt that it deserves. They then concentrate on a top 4 finish and CL qualification. Of course if top 4 looks too hard, you can understand why managers prioritise the EL instead...

Hard to disagree.

It is a joke competition. Finishing 4th is harder, no matter how much we bang on about winning trophies.

[Fittster]

Why continue to play Luke Shaw? Clearly his relationship Mourinho has broken down, so stick him in the reserves and sell him in the summer.

[Challo]

Fittster said:

Why continue to play Luke Shaw? Clearly his relationship Mourinho has broken down, so stick him in the reserves and sell him in the summer.

Why not play him? Supposed to be a 30m left back with England honours. Even if his relationship has broken down with Jose why not play him? The issue is why does he continue with poor performances and continue to get injured.

[franki68]

ORD said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Which is why the sensible clubs play their second string in the EL and treat it with the contempt that it deserves. They then concentrate on a top 4 finish and CL qualification. Of course if top 4 looks too hard, you can understand why managers prioritise the EL instead...

Hard to disagree.

It is a joke competition. Finishing 4th is harder, no matter how much we bang on about winning trophies.

So you would rather finish 4th than win a cup that gives you ecl qualification ?????

So 20 years from now you can either remember winning a cup or finishing 4th what will you remember better ?

Very odd .

[Gavia]

franki68 said:

So you would rather finish 4th than win a cup that gives you ecl qualification ?????

So 20 years from now you can either remember winning a cup or finishing 4th what will you remember better ?

Very odd .

I agree, it's not the most glamorous of European cups, but then neither was the Cup Winners Cup. What a night in Rotterdam and the springboard to 20+ years of unrivalled success.

[ORD]

If I give a damn about having one the Europa Cup in even 5 years time, Utd will have failed between now and then.

It's not a serious competition. You don't have to beat a single decent side to win it. Most teams play a second 11 in it.

It is very telling that we want to win it in order to qualify for the CL and so not play the Europa next season!

Finishing 4th is harder and therefore something worth shouting about. It means finishing above 2 of Arsenal, Liverpool and City. That means something. Winning a cup competition in which there are no good teams is useful but not praise worthy.

[Sparkyhd]

Ok so maybe it's Prosecco and not Champagne but you can still enjoy it. And the away trips for finals are good days out.

[chrisb92]

We're pretty average at the moment, so I'd say winning a trophy is better than 4th. You sound like wenger with that attitude and look where his fixation on fourth has got him.

If we win EL as well as League cup that two more trophies over Liverpool and two further clear of City! It would be nice to keep winning trophies during this tricky period in United's history

[franki68]

ORD said:

If I give a damn about having one the Europa Cup in even 5 years time, Utd will have failed between now and then.

It's not a serious competition. You don't have to beat a single decent side to win it. Most teams play a second 11 in it.

It is very telling that we want to win it in order to qualify for the CL and so not play the Europa next season!

Finishing 4th is harder and therefore something worth shouting about. It means finishing above 2 of Arsenal, Liverpool and City. That means something. Winning a cup competition in which there are no good teams is useful but not praise worthy.

You would celebrate finishing 4th ? Anything other than winning the title is meaningless to me.
I can't recall ever celebrating finishing 2nd never mind 4th .
2nd,3rd and 4th all mean you arent good enough .

The greatest footballing team of our lifetime Spurs put out a full strength team in the competition but weren't good enough ,this season .



Any other reds (united fans not the twisted scousers who frequent here) who would rather finish 4th over winning the europa league?

[Gavia]

Not me. However, I still think we should always be in the top 4 given our squad. By the same token I know we needed to rebuild. I'm expecting a title challenge next year though. Completely agree that the only thing to celebrate in the PL is winning it.

[franki68]

chrisb92 said:

We're pretty average at the moment, so I'd say winning a trophy is better than 4th. You sound like wenger with that attitude and look where his fixation on fourth has got him.

If we win EL as well as League cup that two more trophies over Liverpool and two further clear of City! It would be nice to keep winning trophies during this tricky period in United's history

There's a maths equation which proves that ....
(Win 2 trophies and qualify for ecl) > (win nothing and finish 4th)

[57Ford]

if we can only achieve one, I'd prefer to win the UEFA cup but ideally I'd like to get 3rd too.
However, that defo doesn't mean I'd be putting all my eggs in one cup (DYSWIDT? ) because the only vital thing now is that we qualify for the proper European cup next year so we have a chance of attracting the top level players befitting our glorious club.
If we don't qualify, we're doomed to another year of waiting for Shaw to mend his broken nail, Carrick to sprint more than 100 yards in one half, and betting on whether Fellaini will be sent off or give away a goal first etc..

[Alpinestars]

franki68 said:

You would celebrate finishing 4th ? Anything other than winning the title is meaningless to me.
I can't recall ever celebrating finishing 2nd never mind 4th .
2nd,3rd and 4th all mean you arent good enough .

The greatest footballing team of our lifetime Spurs put out a full strength team in the competition but weren't good enough ,this season .



Any other reds (united fans not the twisted scousers who frequent here) who would rather finish 4th over winning the europa league?

Absolutely not. Anyone not remember Sparky's winner? Anyone remember who we beat to get 4th a couple of years ago?

It's bks to say winning the EL is easier than finishing 4th. That's demonstrable by the fact that we are as close to 4th as winning the ECL.

[franki68]

57Ford said:

if we can only achieve one, I'd prefer to win the UEFA cup but ideally I'd like to get 3rd too.
However, that defo doesn't mean I'd be putting all my eggs in one cup (DYSWIDT? ) because the only vital thing now is that we qualify for the proper European cup next year so we have a chance of attracting the top level players befitting our glorious club.
If we don't qualify, we're doomed to another year of waiting for Shaw to mend his broken nail, Carrick to sprint more than 100 yards in one half, and betting on whether Fellaini will be sent off or give away a goal first etc..

Correct ,but I don't think the injuries and fixture diary will allow both .

[Gavia]

There is a strong possibility of us not winning the Europa thingy and not making 4th either now too.