The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6]
Discussion
ORD said:
choosing to fail to win the PL over winning the EL is cringe worthy.
I'd rather go for the big ones and not win them, rather than tanking the PL season to win a trophy that Jose has derided in the past and something that is beneath Man Utd's level. Utd have spent in 4 years, what Ajax has spent in total post war, this is the type of competition United have faced. Of course they are going to do well. Likewise with the League Cup, only a few teams made it a priority.
it's like a load of year 10's going and smashing the year 7 kids and then bragging about it. You lowered your standards and won, well done. We're trying to raise them.
You can't be satisfied with the results in the premier league this season, or the way you have played.
ORD said:
I think I must have watched a different game from everyone else.
I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
What very easy chances were they? I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
Was that the Fellani header and Lingard running through whilst never looking composed enough to do anything? If so neither were easy at all.
Ajax's chance at around 85 minutes was possibly the best chance of the game. He needed to keep it low and put it to the far post.
Man Utd only had 7 efforts in the whole game. Ajax had 17 and 69% of possesion. A game isn't won on stats, but it's surprising to see a team play so poorly and dominate all the numbers.
Other than the two goals, one hugely lucky and the other a good bit of fortune with Smalling making a mess of his header, Man Utd didn't look like scoring either. The game was only two bits of fortune short of a dull 0-0.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 25th May 11:36
ORD said:
I think I must have watched a different game from everyone else.
I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
The first goal United scored was a poor shot luckily deflected by a shin, the 2nd from a corner which fell just in the right place so Miki could just about set his foot to it after Felliani headed it into nowhere.
And that 1st goal and the way it came about was exactly what JM wanted, it gave him all the legitimacy to sit back. And proceed with his long ball tactics on Felliani, because United never intented to play football in this final. JM set his team up to prevent Ajax from playing and score a goal from either set pieces and/or mistakes made. And United had to work hard for it, every United player was involved apart from maybe Rashford.
Quite untypical for United this season was the efficient and at the same time rather fortunate manner in which United got a winning result. Must give JM some credit for it, he instructed his team well. And obviously it was only United who deserved the win in the end.
For this young Ajax Celta would've been a better opponent instead of the bus driver. If only Guidetti scored that goal in the final minutes at OT.
chrisb92 said:
DeltonaS said:
Is Mourinho now suddenly hailed for playing long balls and parking the bus against a team of youngsters. Last week many United fans said he should be sacked.
By the way Felliani was Uniteds best player yesterday, Moyes should be thanked.
I'd say Herrera was MOTM.By the way Felliani was Uniteds best player yesterday, Moyes should be thanked.
I do love Herrera though. Been excellent this season, does lots of the dirty work that goes unnoticed. Work rate is immense, very clever on what to do and when whether its attacking or defending and loves a tackle. Plus he allows Pogba to push on and be more of an attacking threat.
Im not sure many fans wanted Jose sacked before this win. We are no longer in the glory days of Fergie where he played a more attacking style of football, but we are a long way from the dross of Moyes and LvG. I think fans forget that.
Jose does have a tendency to get teams to defend well first and then attack second. At times its not pretty but Jose sets us out to do a job and be successful. It didn't work out as planned in the league, but when it mattered in the cups it was a success and we won 2 titles.
Love or hate him Jose is a winner and will do anything to get results. If that means parking the bus at Anfield so be it. This gives is a platform for next season, takes the pressure off slightly and im sure he will strengthen again with key players and turn us into a stronger force next year.
Its all well and good playing warm and fuzzy attractive football but when you look at the record books in years to come it means sod all. What matters is winnings and this season Jose has come good and got 3 trophies.
Janesy B said:
Utd have spent in 4 years, what Ajax has spent in total post war, this is the type of competition United have faced.
That type of competition is still a European Cup (CL) and three finals ahead of United.In terms of quality this United team doesn't better the Ajax team either, it's vice versa even. It's the experience, tactics and physical aspect that won United the EL yesterday.
Driver101 said:
ORD said:
I think I must have watched a different game from everyone else.
I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
What very easy chances were they? I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
Was that the Fellani header and Lingard running through whilst never looking composed enough to do anything? If so neither were easy at all.
Ajax's chance at around 85 minutes was possibly the best chance of the game. He needed to keep it low and put it to the far post.
Man Utd only had 7 efforts in the whole game. Ajax had 17 and 69% of possesion. A game isn't won on stats, but it's surprising to see a team play so poorly and dominate all the numbers.
Other than the two goals, one hugely lucky and the other a good bit of fortune with Smalling making a mess of his header, Man Utd didn't look like scoring either. The game was only two bits of fortune short of a dull 0-0.
Big Raff said:
Driver101 said:
ORD said:
I think I must have watched a different game from everyone else.
I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
What very easy chances were they? I saw a Utd team that created 2 very easy chances other than the two it scored and so should have won 3-0 or even 4-0. I saw an exciting young Ajax side create literally nothing all game.
It was an extremely comfortable cup final win. You don't get many of those.
Was that the Fellani header and Lingard running through whilst never looking composed enough to do anything? If so neither were easy at all.
Ajax's chance at around 85 minutes was possibly the best chance of the game. He needed to keep it low and put it to the far post.
Man Utd only had 7 efforts in the whole game. Ajax had 17 and 69% of possesion. A game isn't won on stats, but it's surprising to see a team play so poorly and dominate all the numbers.
Other than the two goals, one hugely lucky and the other a good bit of fortune with Smalling making a mess of his header, Man Utd didn't look like scoring either. The game was only two bits of fortune short of a dull 0-0.
Lingard was never in control of the ball well enough to even be ready to take a shot.
Driver101 said:
If they are considered sitters then most games of football should be finishing 5-5.
Lingard was never in control of the ball well enough to even be ready to take a shot.
Fellaini and his heading abilities 5 yards out and all the space and time should at least force their keeper to move his feet. Lingard only started to lose control when it was too late - he has a good shot on him and should have taken it well before he got all muddled up. For those players, imo, they were sitters. Lingard was never in control of the ball well enough to even be ready to take a shot.
Of course players do miss sitters often, hence why not many (any) 5-5's.
Janesy B said:
I'd rather go for the big ones and not win them, rather than tanking the PL season to win a trophy that Jose has derided in the past and something that is beneath Man Utd's level.
Utd have spent in 4 years, what Ajax has spent in total post war, this is the type of competition United have faced. Of course they are going to do well. Likewise with the League Cup, only a few teams made it a priority.
it's like a load of year 10's going and smashing the year 7 kids and then bragging about it. You lowered your standards and won, well done. We're trying to raise them.
You can't be satisfied with the results in the premier league this season, or the way you have played.
It would be a start to win something...anything....though, surely? You have no standards to raise, otherwise.Utd have spent in 4 years, what Ajax has spent in total post war, this is the type of competition United have faced. Of course they are going to do well. Likewise with the League Cup, only a few teams made it a priority.
it's like a load of year 10's going and smashing the year 7 kids and then bragging about it. You lowered your standards and won, well done. We're trying to raise them.
You can't be satisfied with the results in the premier league this season, or the way you have played.
Big Raff said:
Fellaini and his heading abilities 5 yards out and all the space and time should at least force their keeper to move his feet. Lingard only started to lose control when it was too late - he has a good shot on him and should have taken it well before he got all muddled up. For those players, imo, they were sitters.
Of course players do miss sitters often, hence why not many (any) 5-5's.
He was more than 5 yards out. He also wasn't free. It was a good chance and he should have worked the keeper better. It wasn't a sitter and still had to beat a well positioned goalkeeper. Of course players do miss sitters often, hence why not many (any) 5-5's.
Here's a reminder.
Lingard never looked like scoring. His panic attack started more than 20-30 yards from the box. He started to slow down long before he was close enough to do anything and wasn't in control of the ball.
There a big difference between a chance, A good chance and a sitter.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 25th May 12:48
ORD said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Nope, all about priorities. Which was to qualify for the CL. If United had been top four since 1/1/17, then they wouldn't have won the EL either. The reality was that they hadn't been in the top four since they lost at home to City on 1/9/16. If you can only manage to finish 24 points off the top, it's no wonder you prioritise the EL - it's the only chance you have to secure CL.
Needs must and all that...
`Needs must and all that...
Desperate stuff. The bitterness is palpable. We won a trophy and got CL football. You failed to win a trophy and got CL football.
I would prefer to finish 2nd that win the EL, but that is because I have grown up used to winning much bigger trophies. Spurs never win a damn thing. In that context, choosing to fail to win the PL over winning the EL is cringe worthy.
Congratulations on winning the "CL Qualification for Second Rate Teams Cup". Or is it the "Succeeding Whilst Aiming Low Trophy"?
Or is that the new name for the League Cup?
I'm not bitter in the slightest. The Thursday Night Cup has always been a joke, no more so than on this forum and with United fans. It's only gained any semblance of relevance once it awarded a CL place and only with United fans once CL qualification via the league proved too hard.
What is desperate is certain people trying to convince everyone (or probably just themselves) that it is anything more that a CL place. If there wasn't a CL place, United would have made no attempt to win it. There is no prestige in a top club winning a second rate trophy. The fact your whole season hinged upon the outcome should be somewhat of an embarrassment and winning it relief, rather than joy.
Driver101 said:
He was more than 5 yards out. He also wasn't free. It was a good chance and he should have worked the keeper better. It wasn't a sitter and still had to beat a well positioned goalkeeper.
Here's a reminder.
Lingard never looked like scoring. His panic attack started more than 20-30 yards from the box. He started to slow down long before he was close enough to do anything and wasn't in control of the ball.
There a big difference between a chance, A good chance and a sitter.
To use your coulda, woulda, shoulda, all he needed to do was head it into the top corner, and all Jesse needed to do was control the ball. Just like all the Ajax player needed to do was beat a very good goalkeeper from an angle, by drilling it into the far, bottom corner.Here's a reminder.
Lingard never looked like scoring. His panic attack started more than 20-30 yards from the box. He started to slow down long before he was close enough to do anything and wasn't in control of the ball.
There a big difference between a chance, A good chance and a sitter.
Edited by Driver101 on Thursday 25th May 12:48
Sour grapes.
TEKNOPUG said:
ORD said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Nope, all about priorities. Which was to qualify for the CL. If United had been top four since 1/1/17, then they wouldn't have won the EL either. The reality was that they hadn't been in the top four since they lost at home to City on 1/9/16. If you can only manage to finish 24 points off the top, it's no wonder you prioritise the EL - it's the only chance you have to secure CL.
Needs must and all that...
`Needs must and all that...
Desperate stuff. The bitterness is palpable. We won a trophy and got CL football. You failed to win a trophy and got CL football.
I would prefer to finish 2nd that win the EL, but that is because I have grown up used to winning much bigger trophies. Spurs never win a damn thing. In that context, choosing to fail to win the PL over winning the EL is cringe worthy.
Congratulations on winning the "CL Qualification for Second Rate Teams Cup". Or is it the "Succeeding Whilst Aiming Low Trophy"?
Or is that the new name for the League Cup?
I'm not bitter in the slightest. The Thursday Night Cup has always been a joke, no more so than on this forum and with United fans. It's only gained any semblance of relevance once it awarded a CL place and only with United fans once CL qualification via the league proved too hard.
What is desperate is certain people trying to convince everyone (or probably just themselves) that it is anything more that a CL place. If there wasn't a CL place, United would have made no attempt to win it. There is no prestige in a top club winning a second rate trophy. The fact your whole season hinged upon the outcome should be somewhat of an embarrassment and winning it relief, rather than joy.
GTO-3R said:
I love how we've won the Europa and still the usual suspects chirp up about stats, spending and how we shouldnt have won etc etc...
Hated adored, never ignored.
We are going to be immense next season, and everyone knows it.
Is that aimed at me as it's me quoting stats? I'm not a usual suspect for this thread.Hated adored, never ignored.
We are going to be immense next season, and everyone knows it.
I don't hate Man Utd at all. As a neutral I used to enjoy watching Man Utd. They were a favourite for impartial viewers due to the quality and excitement of their football. Now I rarely watch Man Utd as the quality and excitement is no longer there. Just like last night far too many games are trudged affairs.
I hope Man Utd do improve. I'm not as convinced as you that's going to happen. The CL spot should help a lot to get quality players. Tactics might still be the issue when it comes to entertained.
Alpinestars said:
We'd have concentrated on the league instead. Must be difficult having your best season in your living memory and not winning trophies like we have.
To be fair Spurs look a quality team now. Their progress is there to see and they are further improving all the time with so many players yet to peak. If they weren't playing at Wembley next season they would have been one of the favourites for the league.
Alpinestars said:
TEKNOPUG said:
ORD said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Nope, all about priorities. Which was to qualify for the CL. If United had been top four since 1/1/17, then they wouldn't have won the EL either. The reality was that they hadn't been in the top four since they lost at home to City on 1/9/16. If you can only manage to finish 24 points off the top, it's no wonder you prioritise the EL - it's the only chance you have to secure CL.
Needs must and all that...
`Needs must and all that...
Desperate stuff. The bitterness is palpable. We won a trophy and got CL football. You failed to win a trophy and got CL football.
I would prefer to finish 2nd that win the EL, but that is because I have grown up used to winning much bigger trophies. Spurs never win a damn thing. In that context, choosing to fail to win the PL over winning the EL is cringe worthy.
Congratulations on winning the "CL Qualification for Second Rate Teams Cup". Or is it the "Succeeding Whilst Aiming Low Trophy"?
Or is that the new name for the League Cup?
I'm not bitter in the slightest. The Thursday Night Cup has always been a joke, no more so than on this forum and with United fans. It's only gained any semblance of relevance once it awarded a CL place and only with United fans once CL qualification via the league proved too hard.
What is desperate is certain people trying to convince everyone (or probably just themselves) that it is anything more that a CL place. If there wasn't a CL place, United would have made no attempt to win it. There is no prestige in a top club winning a second rate trophy. The fact your whole season hinged upon the outcome should be somewhat of an embarrassment and winning it relief, rather than joy.
When exactly did you decide to concentrate on the ELC rather than the EPL? Are you suggesting that Jose thought that you could finish in the top 4 but it's better to win a trophy?
I'm quite happy not winning the trophies that you have. I'll leave you to bask in the glory of your achievements.
TEKNOPUG said:
Alpinestars said:
TEKNOPUG said:
ORD said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Nope, all about priorities. Which was to qualify for the CL. If United had been top four since 1/1/17, then they wouldn't have won the EL either. The reality was that they hadn't been in the top four since they lost at home to City on 1/9/16. If you can only manage to finish 24 points off the top, it's no wonder you prioritise the EL - it's the only chance you have to secure CL.
Needs must and all that...
`Needs must and all that...
Desperate stuff. The bitterness is palpable. We won a trophy and got CL football. You failed to win a trophy and got CL football.
I would prefer to finish 2nd that win the EL, but that is because I have grown up used to winning much bigger trophies. Spurs never win a damn thing. In that context, choosing to fail to win the PL over winning the EL is cringe worthy.
Congratulations on winning the "CL Qualification for Second Rate Teams Cup". Or is it the "Succeeding Whilst Aiming Low Trophy"?
Or is that the new name for the League Cup?
I'm not bitter in the slightest. The Thursday Night Cup has always been a joke, no more so than on this forum and with United fans. It's only gained any semblance of relevance once it awarded a CL place and only with United fans once CL qualification via the league proved too hard.
What is desperate is certain people trying to convince everyone (or probably just themselves) that it is anything more that a CL place. If there wasn't a CL place, United would have made no attempt to win it. There is no prestige in a top club winning a second rate trophy. The fact your whole season hinged upon the outcome should be somewhat of an embarrassment and winning it relief, rather than joy.
When exactly did you decide to concentrate on the ELC rather than the EPL? Are you suggesting that Jose thought that you could finish in the top 4 but it's better to win a trophy?
I'm quite happy not winning the trophies that you have. I'll leave you to bask in the glory of your achievements.
What did you win, and when?
Lots of jealousy that our 's
t' season has yielded one domestic and one European trophy today!
Jose has been balancing resource for a good few months now - with a growing injury list and mounting fixtures he had no choice. Yes, we possibly should have held onto BfS and Schneiderlin until the end of the season - but they weren't happy, so it was best to let them go.
Whilst it's not a European Cup or League Title, to get our first post-Fergie European Trophy, and become the only British club to have now won every club trophy possible, I have to say it has been a successful season.
t' season has yielded one domestic and one European trophy today!Jose has been balancing resource for a good few months now - with a growing injury list and mounting fixtures he had no choice. Yes, we possibly should have held onto BfS and Schneiderlin until the end of the season - but they weren't happy, so it was best to let them go.
Whilst it's not a European Cup or League Title, to get our first post-Fergie European Trophy, and become the only British club to have now won every club trophy possible, I have to say it has been a successful season.
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