The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]

The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]

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addey

1,045 posts

168 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Totally unconvinced by the Ox, he's a poor man's James Milner, jack of all trades, master of none. That £20m would be better spent on improving the coaching/scouting so we can bring through our own squad fillers!

RedTrident said:
We don't need squad depth players. We need first 11 players where our current first 11 then give us the depth.
Absolutely this 100%. Which is what I was alluding to the other day, we shouldn't be selling any of our current 1st choice squad. Bring in 3 top players and filter down current players to give us a better squad.

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Black can man said:
Seems absolute madness that we are talking about a squad filler @ £25M
Chelsea and City have had £30m squad fleet players for years now.

Black can man

31,849 posts

169 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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jammy-git said:
Black can man said:
Seems absolute madness that we are talking about a squad filler @ £25M
Chelsea and City have had £30m squad fleet players for years now.
Yes but they win for things .

SydneyBridge

8,647 posts

159 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Would the Ox play any more for us, than he would for arsenal? Not much, if at all.

Agree with the above. A world class centre defender is priority now.

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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SydneyBridge said:
Would the Ox play any more for us, than he would for arsenal? Not much, if at all.

Agree with the above. A world class centre defender is priority now.
That's for him to decide. If he wants to join us and knows he's going to have a fight to be in the starting XI every week then I'm not sure what people are worried about?!

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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RedTrident said:
We don't need squad depth players. We need first 11 players where our current first 11 then give us the depth.
I'm much rather we sign him than hear you whinge all season about squad depth and how signing no one costs us the title.

RedTrident said:
Wijnaldum gives us everything Ox will and with Coutinho moving into the middle I'd rather we bought a more explosive player like Keita where then it's a fight between Can and Henderson for the depth in the 3rd midfield position.
Wijnaldum and Ox are two very different players. Wijnaldum does't tend to dribble or take players on and Ox will be much better cover on the wings when we don't have Salah or Mane available.

m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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jammy-git said:
RedTrident said:
We don't need squad depth players. We need first 11 players where our current first 11 then give us the depth.
I'm much rather we sign him than hear you whinge all season about squad depth and how signing no one costs us the title.

RedTrident said:
Wijnaldum gives us everything Ox will and with Coutinho moving into the middle I'd rather we bought a more explosive player like Keita where then it's a fight between Can and Henderson for the depth in the 3rd midfield position.
Wijnaldum and Ox are two very different players. Wijnaldum does't tend to dribble or take players on and Ox will be much better cover on the wings when we don't have Salah or Mane available.
Agree with all that Jammy

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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It's also been reported that signing Ox will have no affect on signing Keita (or VVD if we go back for him).

The only downside to signing him will be that it'll make it just a bit harder for some of our academy players to break through.

m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Naby Keita is keen to move to Merseyside and has been offered a £130,000-a-week contract by Liverpool. (Paul Joyce)

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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Ruben Neves has apparently agreed to go to Wolves for £15m!!

RedTrident

8,290 posts

236 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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jammy-git said:
Wijnaldum and Ox are two very different players. Wijnaldum does't tend to dribble or take players on and Ox will be much better cover on the wings when we don't have Salah or Mane available.
When was the last time Ox played on the wing? If he can play there then sure why not to rotate with Salah and Mane.

He's not going to ever make our preferred starting 11 in the midfield 3 positions. I thought I'd read he sees himself as a Gerrard type box to box midfielder?

And his injury record....


MissChief

7,121 posts

169 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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RedTrident said:
jammy-git said:
Wijnaldum and Ox are two very different players. Wijnaldum does't tend to dribble or take players on and Ox will be much better cover on the wings when we don't have Salah or Mane available.
When was the last time Ox played on the wing? If he can play there then sure why not to rotate with Salah and Mane.

He's not going to ever make our preferred starting 11 in the midfield 3 positions. I thought I'd read he sees himself as a Gerrard type box to box midfielder?

And his injury record....
Both Salah and Mané will be off to AFCON in the early part of 2019 as well. Need quality cover for then too.

type-r

14,100 posts

214 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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m3sye said:
Naby Keita is keen to move to Merseyside and has been offered a £130,000-a-week contract by Liverpool. (Paul Joyce)
If this were true, we would have had to ask permission of the club before speaking to the player...

MissChief

7,121 posts

169 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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type-r said:
m3sye said:
Naby Keita is keen to move to Merseyside and has been offered a £130,000-a-week contract by Liverpool. (Paul Joyce)
If this were true, we would have had to ask permission of the club before speaking to the player...
Some clubs are happy for the player to talk to other clubs as they're obviously open to him moving. It's then that Leipzig know they're serious and can start adding millions into the price because it's an EPL team, and one desperate for more players because of the CL.

m3sye

26,231 posts

202 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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type-r said:
If this were true, we would have had to ask permission of the club before speaking to the player...
It can be done with an agent
Let's hope were not apologising again in a week lol

Flip Martian

19,715 posts

191 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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jammy-git said:
So you could have players that have regularly played for Gibraltar that you'd consider world class?

For me world class means they could legitimately stake a claim for a place in a world all stars team for their era.
Sorry I'm away at the moment. I applaud your ability to not let go of this particular bone but perhaps we can just agree to disagree. You have a definition of sorts; I have a definition of sorts. 1 is no more right or wrong than the other but arguing about it is pointless really. I thought Smicer was a great player for the Czech Republic and it was a shame he wasn't more suited to the Prem (which was the original point); others clearly disagree.

Flip Martian

19,715 posts

191 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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NRS said:
And for me the definition would be different from the 2 above... so surprisingly the definition of world class varies between people, biggrin
Yup, who'd a thought it! wink

RedTrident

8,290 posts

236 months

Sunday 2nd July 2017
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So maybe we are going to smash our previous record transfer? The 70 million is euros I presume.

My instincts say we're in for Keita with what was the Virgil money. Though I've not read any rumours of any other centre backs that we're interested in. Add that it looks like Gomez might go and Wisdom already has. Or we keep Sakho.

Black can man

31,849 posts

169 months

Monday 3rd July 2017
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The Mirror newspaper has reported that Paris have made enquires about Coutinho. for £100M euro's this morning .


Probably bks , but they were right about VVD .



type-r

14,100 posts

214 months

Monday 3rd July 2017
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Even if it were true, I couldn't see Coutinho moving to France. The Ligue is no way as competitve as the PL and I wouldn't see money as a motivation to move. The only team that he would realistically go to if they came in would be Barca in my view. Maybe even Madrid. I see him staying with us for at least another year where he would be top dog and possibly a run at the title if some of the rumored signings come off....

Non-story in my view.
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