The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 12]

[Sparkyhd]

Jenas is a Spurs fan and this over influences his opinions making him redundant as pundit.

It's ok for Spurs to force Rose to make a grovelling apology and state that Ali isn't for sale at any price. Levy is the most ferocious negotiator in football so why can't Liverpool be allowed to get their best deal.

[RedTrident]

Makes me wonder how much they really paid for Suarez, and whether they're still paying it.

Is Sturridge fit by the way?

If he is, my team would be

Mignolet
Arnold Matip Lovren Milner
Salah Can Henderson Mane
Firmino Sturridge

It's obvious they're going to sit back and try and score on the counter and set piece. Play Firmino in the hole and have Henderson and Can play to their strengths as more traditional central midfielders that can do a bit of everything.

[type-r]

Sturridge is fit and available. Though has been a few weeks out so probably not 100% match fit.

Not a bad team and formation selection there with players available; definitely would have Moreno replaced.

[London424]

Sparkyhd said:

Jenas is a Spurs fan and this over influences his opinions making him redundant as pundit.

It's ok for Spurs to force Rose to make a grovelling apology and state that Ali isn't for sale at any price. Levy is the most ferocious negotiator in football so why can't Liverpool be allowed to get their best deal.

I know...it's like all the Liverpool pundits that were very vociferous in saying that it was perfectly fine for VVD to force through a move but sound like complete idiots when they call out Barca and Coutinho for exactly the same thing.

Jenas is pretty much the only former Spurs player involved in the media whereas we have to listen to fking loads of ex-Liverpool players. Gets tiresome doesn't it?

[NRS]

London424 said:

I know...it's like all the Liverpool pundits that were very vociferous in saying that it was perfectly fine for VVD to force through a move but sound like complete idiots when they call out Barca and Coutinho for exactly the same thing.

Jenas is pretty much the only former Spurs player involved in the media whereas we have to listen to fking loads of ex-Liverpool players. Gets tiresome doesn't it?

All? I think was 2 players, and both of them did the usual backtracking/ "we didn't mean it that way" from what I understood? Most have been against players forcing moves.

[Shamrock_]

ferrisbueller said:

Ascayman said:

hornetrider said:

Barcelona can go fk themselves!



http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-ne...

Mirror reporting the '118m' was actually 80m staggered over 5 (FIVE, yes count them) years!!!11! 16m up front in other words! Plus a load of completely unrealistic add ons including CL wins and Phil winning the Ballon!

Jesus titty fking Christ.

That's an utter pisstake. That says to me that they don't really want him that much. It's a publicity stunt.

I hope Liverpool continue to tell them to shove it.

Or it's indicative of Barca knowing they need to sign half a team and need to financially plan that.

I think that's the most likely case given their debt structure and ageing team.

Either way, both parties are showing that are not mugs when it comes to negotiating this deal. There are some well versed advanced situational negotiation tactics taking place that are very easy to recognise for anyone that's had to negotiate a deal between two major businesses.

At this late stage of the transfer window we'd be better off keeping Phil and offering him the promise of a sale next summer based upon a suitable bid.

When we did this with Suarez he had a wonderful season and was head and shoulders above any other player in the premier league and I believe his stats are still unrivalled:

- 31 goals from 31 starts
- Most goals in a PL season, equalling Shearer and Ronaldo
- Fastest 20 goals in PL history
- 1st PL player to score 3 hat tricks against the same team
- 1st PL player to score 10 goals in a single month

It's difficult to imagine a player repeating these feats in the premier league again. Hopefully this situation brings the best out of Phil this season and benefits Liverpool in a similar vein to the Suarez season.

[London424]

NRS said:

London424 said:

I know...it's like all the Liverpool pundits that were very vociferous in saying that it was perfectly fine for VVD to force through a move but sound like complete idiots when they call out Barca and Coutinho for exactly the same thing.

Jenas is pretty much the only former Spurs player involved in the media whereas we have to listen to fking loads of ex-Liverpool players. Gets tiresome doesn't it?

All? I think was 2 players, and both of them did the usual backtracking/ "we didn't mean it that way" from what I understood? Most have been against players forcing moves.

And they've only backtracked since Coutinho has done the same thing. Before that it was fine to do (because Liverpool would benefit) after it's been a case of player power is wrong.

[Driver101]

I like Jenas and usually find myself agreeing with most of the stuff he says. He comes across as a likeable person. I'm sitting on the fence with this one.

It is getting bad that players are now able to dig their heels in and force a club to sell them on. Costa at the moment is making a complete fool of himself having tantrums to force his way out of Chelsea. VVD got all stroppy at Celtic and pushed for a move. He's doing the same again which doesn't sit well with me. He was happy to sign a new long term deal last year with a huge wage increase.

I see the Coutinho situation just a little different. It will possibly be a once in a lifetime chance to sign for Barcelona. As a professional footballer I can understand why he is desperate to go.

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

[RedTrident]

Driver101 said:

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

That's the problem with headlines and no doubt intended by Barca. The 114 million isn't really true. The 3rd bid was actually €5 million difference from previous once you take away the silly add ons.

[Black can man]

Driver101 said:

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

it is if you were getting it in one lump sum but it seems Barca want to completely pull your pants down this time with instalments.

[ExV8]

The latest offer surely must be seen as an insult, clearly they do not think he is that good a player to be worth the full amount.

[Driver101]

Black can man said:

Driver101 said:

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

it is if you were getting it in one lump sum but it seems Barca want to completely pull your pants down this time with instalments.

Aren't nearly all transfer fees paid in instalments?

[Black can man]

Driver101 said:

Black can man said:

Driver101 said:

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

it is if you were getting it in one lump sum but it seems Barca want to completely pull your pants down this time with instalments.

Aren't nearly all transfer fees paid in instalments?

I guess they are but when they have just received £190M cash from Qatar you'd think they could offer a decent up front lump sum wouldn't you

[RedTrident]

No idea how true this is....

Liverpool have held secret meetings with Barcelona over a deal for Philippe Coutinho and want £137m for their talisman.

That’s the blockbuster claim of Daily Record and Sunday Times journalist Duncan Castles.

Speaking on The Transfer Window podcast, he explained: “Coutinho is being priced at €150m (£137) by Liverpool and Borussia Dortmund are asking pretty much the same for Ousmane Dembele.

[jammy-git]

I think most sane people will believe that to be utter bks.

[Flip Martian]

Shamrock_ said:

I think that's the most likely case given their debt structure and ageing team.

Either way, both parties are showing that are not mugs when it comes to negotiating this deal. There are some well versed advanced situational negotiation tactics taking place that are very easy to recognise for anyone that's had to negotiate a deal between two major businesses.

At this late stage of the transfer window we'd be better off keeping Phil and offering him the promise of a sale next summer based upon a suitable bid....

Hopefully this situation brings the best out of Phil this season and benefits Liverpool in a similar vein to the Suarez season.

This, really. OR we hold out for a "stupidly enormous never-likely-to-happen-for-him-again" sum and push him out of the door we we get it.

[Driver101]

Black can man said:

Driver101 said:

Black can man said:

Driver101 said:

£114m is a lot of money to invest back into the side.

it is if you were getting it in one lump sum but it seems Barca want to completely pull your pants down this time with instalments.

Aren't nearly all transfer fees paid in instalments?

I guess they are but when they have just received £190M cash from Qatar you'd think they could offer a decent up front lump sum wouldn't you

They only got it up front as they had to meet the release clause to get Neymar. It'll go towards their own large debt.

The transaction between Liverpool and Barcelona isn't too far from normal. It's normal for instalments and add on clauses. They are a bit too much this time. It's not a rip off deal like some people are saying.

[Black can man]

jammy-git said:

I think most sane people will believe that to be utter bks.

If another poster had posted this would it still be utter bks ?

[jammy-git]

Yes.

[Mopey]

In a word bcm yes. It's hardly our issue you worship at the feet of RT.