The Official Tottenham Hotspud thread [Vol 9]

[TEKNOPUG]

jammy-git said:

Oh wow, you guys are actually taking that list seriously then?

It's not a question of taking it seriously, it's purely looking at the results in relation & context to the methodology employed by the International Centre for Sports Studies. Why don't you read their website and reports rather than asking questions here? Any player is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them, regardless of what you or I think. There is quite a lot of statistical analysis that has gone into the reports, so lets wait until the July report is published and then compare it to actual transfers to establish it's accuracy.

[Guvernator]

TEKNOPUG said:

What number do you think you would have to offer for Kane to make Levy blink?

I reckon £85m and he'd be seriously considering it. Of course he'd try for £100m but that's just Levy being Levy. I just can't see how he is worth 9 figures at the moment unless one of the mega clubs decides to take a bit of a punt. He is talented no doubt but still largely unproven on the international stage which is generally where a player really starts to up their worth. If he bangs in a few in the CL next season or for England then he'll be worth £100m+

[London424]

Guvernator said:

TEKNOPUG said:

What number do you think you would have to offer for Kane to make Levy blink?

I reckon £85m and he'd be seriously considering it. Of course he'd try for £100m but that's just Levy being Levy. I just can't see how he is worth 9 figures at the moment unless one of the mega clubs decides to take a bit of a punt. He is talented no doubt but still largely unproven on the international stage which is generally where a player really starts to up their worth. If he bangs in a few in the CL next season or for England then he'll be worth £100m+

No chance at all at 85 mil.

We're seeing numbers like 70m for a CB and 60m for a RB this off season. There's no way you're getting the golden boot winner in consecutive seasons, who is on a long contract for <100m. None.

Bale went for what, 85m 4 years ago?

[TEKNOPUG]

Guvernator said:

TEKNOPUG said:

What number do you think you would have to offer for Kane to make Levy blink?

I reckon £85m and he'd be seriously considering it. Of course he'd try for £100m but that's just Levy being Levy. I just can't see how he is worth 9 figures at the moment unless one of the mega clubs decides to take a bit of a punt. He is talented no doubt but still largely unproven on the international stage which is generally where a player really starts to up their worth. If he bangs in a few in the CL next season or for England then he'll be worth £100m+

"Worth" to who though? The figures in the report aren't a player's supposed value (however you determine that), they are the projected fee required to buy the player. Any club that tried to sign Kane would just result in Levy pointing to Pogba, laughing and then quoting £150m as an opening price. He might settle on considerably less but it's not going to be less than 9 figures. If he had an £85m release clause, I expect he'd be gone this summer. Levy holds all the cards, why wouldn't he make a club pay through the nose? If Levy actively pursues a sale, then we might find out what clubs are really prepared to pay and therefore his "worth", otherwise it's pure speculation. Like houses, player's real value is only realised when they are sold.

[jammy-git]

London424 said:

No chance at all at 85 mil.

We're seeing numbers like 70m for a CB and 60m for a RB this off season. There's no way you're getting the golden boot winner in consecutive seasons, who is on a long contract for <100m. None.

Bale went for what, 85m 4 years ago?

We're seeing newspaper rumours of those sorts of figures. Other than Pogba, no one has been bought for a ridiculously inflated fee in the last year, yet.

[Guvernator]

jammy-git said:

London424 said:

No chance at all at 85 mil.

We're seeing numbers like 70m for a CB and 60m for a RB this off season. There's no way you're getting the golden boot winner in consecutive seasons, who is on a long contract for <100m. None.

Bale went for what, 85m 4 years ago?

We're seeing newspaper rumours of those sorts of figures. Other than Pogba, no one has been bought for a ridiculously inflated fee in the last year, yet.

Yep agree, Pogba so far is an outlier bought by a club with far more money then sense. Far too early to start saying that he has set the bar, especially considering his less than stellar performance since his move, I think clubs may be a bit more wary.

Also with all due respect to Kane, Bale is a better player. Kane definitely has the potential to become a £100m player in the next season or two, I just don't think he is there yet. However Levy is quite astute in his financial dealings (we won't mention Sissoko) so if anyone could secure £100m for Kane it would be him. All pretty irrelevant as I'd rather not sell him at all if it can be helped, at least not for another year or two unless of course someone was stupid enough to offer £130m+ right now.

[48k]

jammy-git said:

London424 said:

No chance at all at 85 mil.

We're seeing numbers like 70m for a CB and 60m for a RB this off season. There's no way you're getting the golden boot winner in consecutive seasons, who is on a long contract for <100m. None.

Bale went for what, 85m 4 years ago?

We're seeing newspaper rumours of those sorts of figures. Other than Pogba, no one has been bought for a ridiculously inflated fee in the last year, yet.

Without wishing to sound like a stuck record:

48k said:

I think we are going to see some astonishing transfer fees and wages figures this summer. Not just the usual inflationary type increase with one or two exceptional amounts, but a complete recalibration of what's "normal". It's the first transfer session following the new TV deal for the Premier League and the clubs are absolutely awash with cash. To give an indication of the uplift in money - Sunderland, who have just been relegated having finished bottom of the league, receive the lowest payment from the PL but it is more than Leicester received when they won the league last year under the old TV deal.

It's great that the clubs have more cash but the downside is that players and agents all know this too.

[johnnywgk]

Guvernator said:

I reckon £85m and he'd be seriously considering it. Of course he'd try for £100m but that's just Levy being Levy. I just can't see how he is worth 9 figures at the moment unless one of the mega clubs decides to take a bit of a punt. He is talented no doubt but still largely unproven on the international stage which is generally where a player really starts to up their worth. If he bangs in a few in the CL next season or for England then he'll be worth £100m+

I agree, one season wonder and all that, lol

[Guvernator]

johnnywgk said:

I agree, one season wonder and all that, lol

In all honesty he's proven himself over several seasons in the premier league which is off course no mean feat but has been pretty anonymous in his European and National appearances and it's performing on this stage that really seems to grab the big clubs attention.

There may be a bit of interest now but If he bangs in a few goals in the first few CL games next year, there'll be a stampede. Perhaps this is what Levy is hoping\waiting for?

[HRL]

Would rather we improved the side than sold off our best players, regardless of how much was offered for them. We wouldn't be able to replace them with better talent for any less.

That's the royal We, obviously.

[Guvernator]

HRL said:

Would rather we improved the side than sold off our best players, regardless of how much was offered for them. We wouldn't be able to replace them with better talent for any less.

That's the royal We, obviously.

Of course we all do but the reality is we aren't as rich as other clubs and we have a new stadium to pay for. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone came in with a ludicrous offer, he'd take it.

[HRL]

Guvernator said:

Of course we all do but the reality is we aren't as rich as other clubs and we have a new stadium to pay for. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone came in with a ludicrous offer, he'd take it.

Oh I understand that but if Levy is actually a Spurs fan rather than just an accountant he must see the same as we do that the current crop are arguably the best Spurs team for decades. Selling off anyone that reduces that is going backwards and not in the interest of the club at all.

I thought the new WHL was already pretty much paid for anyway?

[TEKNOPUG]

HRL said:

Guvernator said:

Of course we all do but the reality is we aren't as rich as other clubs and we have a new stadium to pay for. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone came in with a ludicrous offer, he'd take it.

Oh I understand that but if Levy is actually a Spurs fan rather than just an accountant he must see the same as we do that the current crop are arguably the best Spurs team for decades. Selling off anyone that reduces that is going backwards and not in the interest of the club at all.

I thought the new WHL was already pretty much paid for anyway?

Every player, at every club has a price. The question is not whether Levy would sell a player if a club tabled an acceptable bid, it's whether he is actively trying to sell a player/find a buyer.

If the situation is "We want to keep Kane and have no interest in selling him. But obviously if a big enough bid came in, we could have to consider it" then fine. I'd expect the same from all clubs.

However, if it's a case of "I want to cash in on Kane now, contact the agents to find a buyer" then I'd be pretty pissed.

[mickk]

You know, Kane may actually want to stay.

[TEKNOPUG]

mickk said:

You know, Kane may actually want to stay.

True. It's rather irrelevant until such time as the club agrees a fee for him though.

[Ascayman]

HRL said:

Oh I understand that but if Levy is actually a Spurs fan rather than just an accountant he must see the same as we do that the current crop are arguably the best Spurs team for decades. Selling off anyone that reduces that is going backwards and not in the interest of the club at all.

I thought the new WHL was already pretty much paid for anyway?

But he's not. He has a shareholding but really just runs the club for Joe Lewis who is an investor not a fan.

The truth of it is everything is up for sale with the current owners. Inc the club. It's just a matter of price.

[TEKNOPUG]

Ascayman said:

HRL said:

Oh I understand that but if Levy is actually a Spurs fan rather than just an accountant he must see the same as we do that the current crop are arguably the best Spurs team for decades. Selling off anyone that reduces that is going backwards and not in the interest of the club at all.

I thought the new WHL was already pretty much paid for anyway?

But he's not. He has a shareholding but really just runs the club for Joe Lewis who is an investor not a fan.

The truth of it is everything is up for sale with the current owners. Inc the club. It's just a matter of price.

No different from pretty much every other club.

[Blib]

Every player has a price. But, other than for a seriously ridiculous bid, I can't see Levy selling Kane. Kane can be a 'franchise' player at Spurs for the next decade. Our Shearer equivalent.

I can see Dele getting sold in three years' time. Everyone else are just players to be traded.

But, a true centre forward, England captain, crowd hero, Spurs fan and seriously good goalscorer?

Occasionally, a player comes along who means more to the club than money.

Adams, Gerrard, Terry. That level.

[Blib]

Apparently, Spurs has supplied more players ro the England team than any other club.

Look.....


England Clive Allen
England Dele Alli
England Walter Alsford
England Darren Anderton
England Eddie Baily
England Nick Barmby
England Darren Bent
England David Bentley
England Bert Bliss
England Johnny Brooks
England Sol Campbell (wker) ✊&#65039;&#128166;&#128166;&#128166;
England Michael Carrick
England Steven Caulker
England Martin Chivers
England Harry Clarke
England Tommy Clay
England Ray Clemence
England Ralph Coates
England Peter Crouch
England Michael Dawson
England Jermain Defoe
England Eric Dier
England Jimmy Dimmock
England Ted Ditchburn
England Terry Fenwick
England Les Ferdinand
England Anthony Gardner
England Paul Gascoigne
England Jimmy Greaves
England Arthur Grimsdell
England Willie Hall
England Ron Henry
England Glenn Hoddle
England Steve Hodge
England Tom Huddlestone
England George Hunt
England Jermaine Jenas
England Harry Kane
England Ledley King
England Cyril Knowles
England Aaron Lennon
England Gary Lineker
England Jake Livermore
England Gary Mabbutt
England Ryan Mason
England Les Medley
England Alan Mullery
England Bill Nicholson
England Maurice Norman
England Frank Osborne
England Scott Parker
England Steve Perryman
England Martin Peters
England Alf Ramsey
England George Robb
England Graham Roberts
England Paul Robinson
England Danny Rose
England Arthur Rowe
England Jimmy Seed
England Teddy Sheringham
England Tim Sherwood
England Bobby Smith
England Bert Smith
England Bert Sproston
England Gary Stevens
England Andros Townsend
England Chris Waddle
England Fanny Walden
England Ian Walker
England Kyle Walker
England Arthur Willis
England Vivian Woodward.

[mickk]

I hope you didn't type all that out Blib.