The Official Chelsea Thread [Vol 3]

[mickk]

Sparkyhd said:

Is it wrong to leave 30 minutes before the end?

You start looking at the clock at the 45 min mark if you support Spurs. Trust me.

[Blib]

Conte saying in the Times, "Don't blame me, I'm getting the squad to perform at 120%".

Who's your next manager?

[TTmonkey]

At breakfast this morning....

"Would I like Cylon tea"....?


"Do I look like someone from Battlestar Gallactica?"

[Sparkyhd]

Blib said:

Conte saying in the Times, "Don't blame me, I'm getting the squad to perform at 120%".

Who's your next manager?

Someone who can drive the car at normal revs and finish first.

[TaylotS2K]

TEKNOPUG said:

jammy-git said:

hilly10 said:

jammy-git said:

Who is calling the shots with regards to transfers now (now Emilio has gone)?

The Russian

Really? It's Roman who wants Carrol, Crouch and Barkley?

Nah, they're all UEFA regulations signings.

They'll get a new manager next season, blow a load of cash on stars, win the league and then lose interest and implode the following season. Rinse and repeat.

You never get the sense that there is a long term plan; that they are building a squad or there is any continuity. I guess if you are long on money and short on patience it's to be expected. Never a dull moment though.

Yep. I love Antonio and would love a manager like him to build a legacy at the club. However, the hiring and firing of managers seems to work for us, so I think this will continue to happen.

[jcremonini]

TEKNOPUG said:

jammy-git said:

hilly10 said:

jammy-git said:

Who is calling the shots with regards to transfers now (now Emilio has gone)?

The Russian

Really? It's Roman who wants Carrol, Crouch and Barkley?

Nah, they're all UEFA regulations signings.

They'll get a new manager next season, blow a load of cash on stars, win the league and then lose interest and implode the following season. Rinse and repeat.

You never get the sense that there is a long term plan; that they are building a squad or there is any continuity. I guess if you are long on money and short on patience it's to be expected. Never a dull moment though.

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years. Our net transfer spending has not been on the same level as the other contending clubs ( by that I mean City and United - teams that challenge for the title most years these days).

We have a £500m stadium to finance - to do that and just keep spending is not going to happen. To that degree things will only get worse.

What I would like to see is the club, for the duration of the build and repayment, appoint a manager who is going to commit to the great youth product we have rather than just ship them out on loan and sell them like we have been doing too much (though as a financial model I appreciate it has helped us greatly) . Let him do that with no pressure on the Champions League or the Premier League and let him simply develop a team for the future at little cost. The Champions League is not a big competition, financially, these days compared to the amount teams get from TV rights so the impact of not competing in that won't be huge.

The stadium has to be built and is the key to the future of the club maintaining itself at the top. We cannot continue to punch above our weight in a 41000 capacity stadium when our rivals are over 60000.

As for last night - st happens. Bad day at the office and all that but we are still fourth and only 3 points off second. Hardly a disaster.

Would someone please have a word with Bakayoko though - surely that is not the same guy who played for Monaco ?!

[TEKNOPUG]

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years. Our net transfer spending has not been on the same level as the other contending clubs ( by that I mean City and United - teams that challenge for the title most years these days).

We have a £500m stadium to finance - to do that and just keep spending is not going to happen. To that degree things will only get worse.

What I would like to see is the club, for the duration of the build and repayment, appoint a manager who is going to commit to the great youth product we have rather than just ship them out on loan and sell them like we have been doing too much (though as a financial model I appreciate it has helped us greatly) . Let him do that with no pressure on the Champions League or the Premier League and let him simply develop a team for the future at little cost. The Champions League is not a big competition, financially, these days compared to the amount teams get from TV rights so the impact of not competing in that won't be huge.

The stadium has to be built and is the key to the future of the club maintaining itself at the top. We cannot continue to punch above our weight in a 41000 capacity stadium when our rivals are over 60000.

As for last night - st happens. Bad day at the office and all that but we are still fourth and only 3 points off second. Hardly a disaster.

Would someone please have a word with Bakayoko though - surely that is not the same guy who played for Monaco ?!

Chelsea earnt £150m TV revenue by winning the League last season. Leicester made £75m just by reaching the QF of the CL....Chelsea would have made £100m+ by winning the CL. So to say that the impact of not competing in that won't be huge, is just plain wrong. Qualifying for the group stages is worth £50m to an EPL club. I don't think you can expect to regularly forego that income to your rivals without it having a considerbale impact on player acquisitions (and that's not even taking into consideration the reduced draw of non-CL participation).

[jcremonini]

TEKNOPUG said:

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years. Our net transfer spending has not been on the same level as the other contending clubs ( by that I mean City and United - teams that challenge for the title most years these days).

We have a £500m stadium to finance - to do that and just keep spending is not going to happen. To that degree things will only get worse.

What I would like to see is the club, for the duration of the build and repayment, appoint a manager who is going to commit to the great youth product we have rather than just ship them out on loan and sell them like we have been doing too much (though as a financial model I appreciate it has helped us greatly) . Let him do that with no pressure on the Champions League or the Premier League and let him simply develop a team for the future at little cost. The Champions League is not a big competition, financially, these days compared to the amount teams get from TV rights so the impact of not competing in that won't be huge.

The stadium has to be built and is the key to the future of the club maintaining itself at the top. We cannot continue to punch above our weight in a 41000 capacity stadium when our rivals are over 60000.

As for last night - st happens. Bad day at the office and all that but we are still fourth and only 3 points off second. Hardly a disaster.

Would someone please have a word with Bakayoko though - surely that is not the same guy who played for Monaco ?!

Chelsea earnt £150m TV revenue by winning the League last season. Leicester made £75m just by reaching the QF of the CL....Chelsea would have made £100m+ by winning the CL. So to say that the impact of not competing in that won't be huge, is just plain wrong. Qualifying for the group stages is worth £50m to an EPL club. I don't think you can expect to regularly forego that income to your rivals without it having a considerbale impact on player acquisitions (and that's not even taking into consideration the reduced draw of non-CL participation).

But we didn't win it , did we ? And were unlikely to . I read somewhere that the average CL earnings for a club are £20m and the fact is we earned £34m in 2014/15 from the last 16 which would be where I would expect us to be usually. It's not big money in the grand scheme of things these days.

I was listening to that ex Chelsea Finanical Director on the Debate programme on SS1 the other day and he said the same thing (it's just not big any more revenue wise compared to what it was and top clubs can afford to live without it)

[Rosscow]

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years.

Are you joking?

In the past 12 months you have bought:

Morata - £67m?
Bakayoko - £45m?
Drinkwater - £38m?
Rudiger - 35m?
Zappacosta - 25m?
Emerson - £20m?
Giroud - £18m?
Barkley - £17m?

So in the region of £265m.

If that's not blowing cash, I don't know what is!

[monty999]

For me last nigh's result was a culmination of quite a few events
1. Having no recognised striker/target man lead to bournemouth pressing right up to our keeper making him kick long at 'massive' Hazard battling with centre halves.
2. Christenson's injury meaning Cahill who is too slow moving to centre.
3. Didn't look like the team had prepared for the system without a striker which was unknown until last minute.

And lastly, which has got forgotten amongst all the excuses is that Bournemouth played very well, I was most impressed with their movement and passing - Way too good to be in the relegation battles. Congrats to Eddy Howe for sticking to playing their way against us unlike many others who have been content to park busses etc.
Made it a very long journey back home to Stoke
Don't worry, every little thing's gonna be allright ? Bring on Barca !

[TEKNOPUG]

jcremonini said:

But we didn't win it , did we ? And were unlikely to . I read somewhere that the average CL earnings for a club are £20m and the fact is we earned £34m in 2014/15 from the last 16 which would be where I would expect us to be usually. It's not big money in the grand scheme of things these days.

I was listening to that ex Chelsea Finanical Director on the Debate programme on SS1 the other day and he said the same thing (it's just not big any more revenue wise compared to what it was and top clubs can afford to live without it)

The average for a CL club maybe £20m but it's £50m for an EPL club through price money and TV revenue. It may well be a smaller proportion of revenue more due to the increased EPL TV money and no longer a game changer but it's still a very considerable figure. You're effectively forecasting a 15% reduction in annual revenue for the forseeable future. And I'm not sure if one can be consider a "top club" if you aren't regularly competing in the CL.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Thursday 1st February 10:51

[jcremonini]

Rosscow said:

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years.

Are you joking?

In the past 12 months you have bought:

Morata - £67m?
Bakayoko - £45m?
Drinkwater - £38m?
Rudiger - 35m?
Zappacosta - 25m?
Emerson - £20m?
Giroud - £18m?
Barkley - £17m?

So in the region of £265m.

If that's not blowing cash, I don't know what is!

You don't seem to understand the difference between net and gross spend

Have look at who we have sold and for how much in the same period and compare that to previous years. Our net spend in the last few seasons has been around £20m per season.

[jcremonini]

TEKNOPUG said:

jcremonini said:

But we didn't win it , did we ? And were unlikely to . I read somewhere that the average CL earnings for a club are £20m and the fact is we earned £34m in 2014/15 from the last 16 which would be where I would expect us to be usually. It's not big money in the grand scheme of things these days.

I was listening to that ex Chelsea Finanical Director on the Debate programme on SS1 the other day and he said the same thing (it's just not big any more revenue wise compared to what it was and top clubs can afford to live without it)

The average for a CL club maybe £20m but it's £50m for an EPL club through price money and TV revenue. It may well be a smaller proportion of revenue more due to the increased EPL TV money and no longer a game changer but it's still a very considerable figure. You're effecting forecasting a 15% reduction in annual revenue for the forseeable future. And I'm not sure if one can be consider a "top club" if you aren't regularly competing in the CL.

You've taken what I have said out of context a little. My point is simple - we have a stadium to build and we need to continue to be financially astute. So why no use that period (the stadium build) to develop youth and allow a manager free reign to do so without pressure of winning and qualifying. We'll be a bigger club with a 60000 stadium than we could ever hope to be with a 40000 stadium and the extra revenue from that will enable us to spend more as and when we need to and within UEFA rules.

[TEKNOPUG]

jcremonini said:

TEKNOPUG said:

jcremonini said:

But we didn't win it , did we ? And were unlikely to . I read somewhere that the average CL earnings for a club are £20m and the fact is we earned £34m in 2014/15 from the last 16 which would be where I would expect us to be usually. It's not big money in the grand scheme of things these days.

I was listening to that ex Chelsea Finanical Director on the Debate programme on SS1 the other day and he said the same thing (it's just not big any more revenue wise compared to what it was and top clubs can afford to live without it)

The average for a CL club maybe £20m but it's £50m for an EPL club through price money and TV revenue. It may well be a smaller proportion of revenue more due to the increased EPL TV money and no longer a game changer but it's still a very considerable figure. You're effecting forecasting a 15% reduction in annual revenue for the forseeable future. And I'm not sure if one can be consider a "top club" if you aren't regularly competing in the CL.

You've taken what I have said out of context a little. My point is simple - we have a stadium to build and we need to continue to be financially astute. So why no use that period (the stadium build) to develop youth and allow a manager free reign to do so without pressure of winning and qualifying. We'll be a bigger club with a 60000 stadium than we could ever hope to be with a 40000 stadium and the extra revenue from that will enable us to spend more as and when we need to and within UEFA rules.

Sorry, yes, I do agree with this. However, your owner doesn't strike me as someone who has the patience for a 5 year plan. Certainly not judging by past actions. If he's no longer going to compete with the other Petro-Dollar clubs and continue to bankroll the team, then maybe it would be better if he sold up and new owners with a longer term vision took over.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

jcremonini said:

My point is simple - we have a stadium to build and we need to continue to be financially astute.

Building this stupid new stadium is the least most financially astute thing we've ever contemplated. Bloody daft idea.

[Rosscow]

jcremonini said:

Rosscow said:

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years.

Are you joking?

In the past 12 months you have bought:

Morata - £67m?
Bakayoko - £45m?
Drinkwater - £38m?
Rudiger - 35m?
Zappacosta - 25m?
Emerson - £20m?
Giroud - £18m?
Barkley - £17m?

So in the region of £265m.

If that's not blowing cash, I don't know what is!

You don't seem to understand the difference between net and gross spend

Have look at who we have sold and for how much in the same period and compare that to previous years. Our net spend in the last few seasons has been around £20m per season.

About £180m recouped - so a net spend of around £85m.

Compared to say Spurs at around £15m net spend.

Still a big wad of cash in 12 months!

[jammy-git]

Sye posted this in the Liverpool thread about a week ago:

[Ascayman]

Anyone trying to pretend to themselves that Chelsea 'dont blow lots of cash' is bloody loopy.

[Sparkyhd]

Ascayman said:

Anyone trying to pretend to themselves that Chelsea 'dont blow lots of cash' is bloody loopy.

We don't blow it, we spend it wisely. Take a look at our trophy cabinet (glass structure with wooden or steel frame containing silvery objects).

[jcremonini]

Rosscow said:

jcremonini said:

Rosscow said:

jcremonini said:

The days of Chelsea just blowing loads of cash have been gone for the last 5 years.

Are you joking?

In the past 12 months you have bought:

Morata - £67m?
Bakayoko - £45m?
Drinkwater - £38m?
Rudiger - 35m?
Zappacosta - 25m?
Emerson - £20m?
Giroud - £18m?
Barkley - £17m?

So in the region of £265m.

If that's not blowing cash, I don't know what is!

You don't seem to understand the difference between net and gross spend

Have look at who we have sold and for how much in the same period and compare that to previous years. Our net spend in the last few seasons has been around £20m per season.

About £180m recouped - so a net spend of around £85m.

Compared to say Spurs at around £15m net spend.

Still a big wad of cash in 12 months!

Your transfer figures are wrong anyway. Morata was 50m, Bakayoko was (a waste of) 40m Drinkwater was 35m.I can't be bothered to look at the others. That another 17m at least off your number.

But my main point stands - we don't 'blow cash' the way we used to.

EDIT: I should also add that we loan out far more players than any other club. It's not done for free - Celtic are paying £6m for Musonda as an example.

Edited by jcremonini on Thursday 1st February 14:48