The Official Chelsea Thread [Vol 3]

The Official Chelsea Thread [Vol 3]

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Ascayman

12,759 posts

217 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Im not sure being 'financially doped' is really an ethos.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

96 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Ascayman said:
Im not sure being 'financially doped' is really an ethos.
Your owner seems to have done well living by that ethos.

smn159

12,713 posts

218 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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jammy-git said:
Is that approach going to work any more though? You've been lucky with Jose and Conte that they've largely been able to ride a "honeymoon" phase in their first season and win titles with largely what you already had. However it's obvious that Abramovich wants you to be self sufficient now and the quality of your team has been on a slight decline for several seasons now. If you want to keep bringing in different managers every couple of seasons, with different philosophies and requirements from players, it's expensive.
Except that at Chelsea the club set the philosophy and requirements, recruit the players to suit it and hires a manager who fits with that philosophy and will work within an agreed set of parameters - precisely to avoid having to change everything every time a new manager comes in. The manager has input into player recruitment, but not the final say as I understand it.

I think that some managers struggle with this concept, despite signing up to it when they arrive. Contes previous whinging about player recruitment smacks of getting his excuses in early to me.

jammy-git

29,778 posts

213 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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The fact that so many managers come and go suggests that this hierarchy isn't quite working as smoothly as expected.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

96 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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jammy-git said:
The fact that so many managers come and go suggests that this hierarchy isn't quite working as smoothly as expected.
I think it proves it's working perfectly.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,407 posts

151 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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I'd like to see Mick McCarthy take over from Antonio. hehe

Would be good to see what these superstar internationals would make of him, and what he could do given high quality players.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

96 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'd like to see Mick McCarthy take over from Antonio. hehe

Would be good to see what these superstar internationals would make of him, and what he could do given high quality players.
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?

mickk

28,904 posts

243 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Sparkyhd said:
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?
You'd be better off with Alan Partridge!

smn159

12,713 posts

218 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Sparkyhd said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I'd like to see Mick McCarthy take over from Antonio. hehe

Would be good to see what these superstar internationals would make of him, and what he could do given high quality players.
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?
Roy Keane, surely?

TaylotS2K

1,964 posts

208 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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TEKNOPUG said:
TaylotS2K said:
TEKNOPUG said:
TaylotS2K said:
desolate said:
Chris Stott said:
There's nothing wrong with your squad - you have some fantastic players (as demonstrated with last years title). But there's something wrong with the culture within the team - they stopped playing for Jose, then won the league the next season, and now look like they aren't bothered again.

Conte's clearly at the heart of it - doesn't look from the outside like the players 'like' him... might sound simplistic, but in my 30 odd years of managing people (admittedly not football), I've found people work much harder for managers they like.
There is the old saying "a fish rots from the head" .

To be successful long term a club needs a consistent message coming right from the top, through all levels to the team. The best examples of this are Spurs and Burnley now (Utd until recently) - sticking to the same ethos for years.

Chelsea seem to want a "name" manager but to run everything from the board room. I am sure if they find a manager happy to put up with that they will get back to solid top four and more.
Our 'ethos' has been far more successful than Spurs and Burnley combined to date.
It does depend upon outspending all your rivals to buy the best players every season though.
But we didn't in some cases. Specifically our last two titles.
My mistake, I didn't realise that "Not competing in European Competition" was also part of the clubs's ethos.
I would take not competing in the UCL occasionally if it meant winning the league. I'm sure most of the big clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, United and City want to compete in it every year, but the EPL is a competitive league and it's easier for the likes of PSG, Barca, Real to qualify every year.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

96 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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mickk said:
Sparkyhd said:
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?
You'd be better off with Alan Partridge!
Good shout but if we wanted someone with an inflated sense of importance and celebrity we should have stuck with Mourinho.

Black can man

31,845 posts

169 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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mickk said:
Sparkyhd said:
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?
You'd be better off with Alan Partridge!
Liquid football ..

Russian Troll Bot

24,990 posts

228 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Black can man said:
mickk said:
Sparkyhd said:
Presumably with Alan Pardew as assistant coach?
You'd be better off with Alan Partridge!
Liquid football ..
Back of the net

TEKNOPUG

18,974 posts

206 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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Foot like a traction engine.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,407 posts

151 months

Wednesday 11th April 2018
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[redacted]

Adam B

27,265 posts

255 months

Thursday 12th April 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
And nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Need your feedback on the Eels thread

TwigtheWonderkid

43,407 posts

151 months

Thursday 12th April 2018
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Adam B said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
And nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Need your feedback on the Eels thread
Done.

Russian Troll Bot

24,990 posts

228 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Is it possible to sack a manager at half time?

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Russian Troll Bot said:
Is it possible to sack a manager at half time?
Watching this drivel half the team need to be on the same bus out of Stamford Bridge too.

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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...as if by magic it’s now 0-2.

Absolute garbage. The team have stopped playing for the badge I’m afraid.