The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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GTO-3R said:
DeltonaS said:
GTO-3R said:
Chong and Perreira played well apparently in the game during the night 
A yes Chong another youngster stolen from a Dutch youth academy, won't get any playing time. Especially not with Mourinho around, he already send him to back the gym. Somehow Messi, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic look like they never seen a gym, but in England everybody is sent to the gym. Scoring from set pieces is probably more interesting.Chong could've been making his debut at Feyenoord this season, instead destined on some loan deal in two years time at Whatnot United or Bendover Rovers, owend by some doddgy Chinese, Arab or Russian with money from questionable origin.
Football used to be great.
DeltonaS said:
GTO-3R said:
Chong and Perreira played well apparently in the game during the night
A yes Chong another youngster stolen from a Dutch youth academy, won't get any playing time. Especially not with Mourinho around, he already send him to back the gym. Somehow Messi, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic look like they never seen a gym, but in England everybody is sent to the gym. Scoring from set pieces is probably more interesting.Chong could've been making his debut at Feyenoord this season, instead destined on some loan deal in two years time at Whatnot United or Bendover Rovers, owend by some doddgy Chinese, Arab or Russian with money from questionable origin.
Football used to be great.
Would it make it better if Jose gave you a hug??
DeltonaS said:
GTO-3R said:
Chong and Perreira played well apparently in the game during the night
A yes Chong another youngster stolen from a Dutch youth academy, won't get any playing time. Especially not with Mourinho around, he already send him to back the gym. Somehow Messi, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic look like they never seen a gym, but in England everybody is sent to the gym. Scoring from set pieces is probably more interesting.Chong could've been making his debut at Feyenoord this season, instead destined on some loan deal in two years time at Whatnot United or Bendover Rovers, owend by some doddgy Chinese, Arab or Russian with money from questionable origin.
Football used to be great.
Aside from him, you have identified pretty much all of the great players that are feeble and conveniently ignored that the vast vast majority of good players are at least reasonably strong. How about C Ronaldo? Less talented than dozens of players but invested his time in becoming, in terms of physique and physical attributes, the perfect footballer.
Modric would have been a much better player if he had learned how to eat food.
franki68 said:
DeltonaS said:
GTO-3R said:
Chong and Perreira played well apparently in the game during the night
A yes Chong another youngster stolen from a Dutch youth academy, won't get any playing time. Especially not with Mourinho around, he already send him to back the gym. Somehow Messi, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic look like they never seen a gym, but in England everybody is sent to the gym. Scoring from set pieces is probably more interesting.Chong could've been making his debut at Feyenoord this season, instead destined on some loan deal in two years time at Whatnot United or Bendover Rovers, owend by some doddgy Chinese, Arab or Russian with money from questionable origin.
Football used to be great.
Trouble is with clubs like Chelsea, City and a little less so, but still United as well; they keep atracting youngsters which will never get the chance to play in the first team. Not because they don't have talent but because in 2018 these clubs only buy players.
They all setup impressive youth acacdemy's but for what purpose is beyond me. Chelsea and City have dozens of players out on loan, most of those talents will lose years of their potential early into their career and will never play for those clubs. From loan deal to loan deal. UEFA doesn't give a fook.
Chong is already an impressive player which deserves a club which will guarantee him (some) playing time on the highest level, it probably won't be United:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM
DeltonaS said:
That's exaggerating a bit. And for instance Jesse Lingard isn't the biggest of players.
Trouble is with clubs like Chelsea, City and a little less so, but still United as well; they keep atracting youngsters which will never get the chance to play in the first team. Not because they don't have talent but because in 2018 these clubs only buy players.
They all setup impressive youth acacdemy's but for what purpose is beyond me. Chelsea and City have dozens of players out on loan, most of those talents will lose years of their potential early into their career and will never play for those clubs. From loan deal to loan deal. UEFA doesn't give a fook.
Chong is already an impressive player which deserves a club which will guarantee him (some) playing time on the highest level, it probably won't be United:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM
You’re so biased towards the Dutch. Trouble is with clubs like Chelsea, City and a little less so, but still United as well; they keep atracting youngsters which will never get the chance to play in the first team. Not because they don't have talent but because in 2018 these clubs only buy players.
They all setup impressive youth acacdemy's but for what purpose is beyond me. Chelsea and City have dozens of players out on loan, most of those talents will lose years of their potential early into their career and will never play for those clubs. From loan deal to loan deal. UEFA doesn't give a fook.
Chong is already an impressive player which deserves a club which will guarantee him (some) playing time on the highest level, it probably won't be United:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM
He has great vision, but let’s see if he can cut it. You were very excited about two pies as well, and he was next to useless for us - under a Dutch manager.
ORD said:
DeltonaS said:
GTO-3R said:
Chong and Perreira played well apparently in the game during the night
A yes Chong another youngster stolen from a Dutch youth academy, won't get any playing time. Especially not with Mourinho around, he already send him to back the gym. Somehow Messi, Modric, Xavi, Iniesta and Rakitic look like they never seen a gym, but in England everybody is sent to the gym. Scoring from set pieces is probably more interesting.Chong could've been making his debut at Feyenoord this season, instead destined on some loan deal in two years time at Whatnot United or Bendover Rovers, owend by some doddgy Chinese, Arab or Russian with money from questionable origin.
Football used to be great.
Aside from him, you have identified pretty much all of the great players that are feeble and conveniently ignored that the vast vast majority of good players are at least reasonably strong. How about C Ronaldo? Less talented than dozens of players but invested his time in becoming, in terms of physique and physical attributes, the perfect footballer.
Modric would have been a much better player if he had learned how to eat food.
Chistiano on the other hand is an athlete, not necaseaitly the biggest or stongest, but very much an athlete.
And I think Real will keep an eye on Modric's diet. I think his movement will suffer from becomming bigger.
Trouble with the EPL and probably English football in general IMO is that there is too much emphasis on the physical side of things. And pace seems to be everything, while Real and Barcelona won everything this past decade. And not with pace and muscles.
Some of the best players aren't necessarily the biggest or strongest: DeBruyne, Hazard, Aguero
They are however very talented footballers first and foremost.
Alpinestars said:
DeltonaS said:
That's exaggerating a bit. And for instance Jesse Lingard isn't the biggest of players.
Trouble is with clubs like Chelsea, City and a little less so, but still United as well; they keep atracting youngsters which will never get the chance to play in the first team. Not because they don't have talent but because in 2018 these clubs only buy players.
They all setup impressive youth acacdemy's but for what purpose is beyond me. Chelsea and City have dozens of players out on loan, most of those talents will lose years of their potential early into their career and will never play for those clubs. From loan deal to loan deal. UEFA doesn't give a fook.
Chong is already an impressive player which deserves a club which will guarantee him (some) playing time on the highest level, it probably won't be United:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM
You’re so biased towards the Dutch. Trouble is with clubs like Chelsea, City and a little less so, but still United as well; they keep atracting youngsters which will never get the chance to play in the first team. Not because they don't have talent but because in 2018 these clubs only buy players.
They all setup impressive youth acacdemy's but for what purpose is beyond me. Chelsea and City have dozens of players out on loan, most of those talents will lose years of their potential early into their career and will never play for those clubs. From loan deal to loan deal. UEFA doesn't give a fook.
Chong is already an impressive player which deserves a club which will guarantee him (some) playing time on the highest level, it probably won't be United:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHsXSjr1ZpM
He has great vision, but let’s see if he can cut it. You were very excited about two pies as well, and he was next to useless for us - under a Dutch manager.
Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
Edited by DeltonaS on Friday 20th July 21:47
DeltonaS said:
I'm very exited about Rashford as well, still young but is doing great at United.
Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
I actually think Rashford is overrated. Very inconsistent, very selfish with the ball, often makes the wrong decision, tries to do too much, but sometimes wonderful. Make or break in the next 2 or 3 years. He could end up being a Danny Wellbeck. Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
Alpinestars said:
DeltonaS said:
I'm very exited about Rashford as well, still young but is doing great at United.
Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
I actually think Rashford is overrated. Very inconsistent, very selfish with the ball, often makes the wrong decision, tries to do too much, but sometimes wonderful. Make or break in the next 2 or 3 years. He could end up being a Danny Wellbeck. Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
For me Rashford just needs a season of regular playing now - and we know he won't get it for us. I'd be ok with a loan move for him - somewhere like Palace or Bournemouth.
Agree with a lot of Deltona's comments about youth players being hoarded - but it's a UEFA problem to sort out. Needs to be a cap on loans somehow, especially loans of non domestic players. I am aware of the hypocrisy considering I just suggested a loan for Rashford, but I think we are far from the worst culprits for this. I can totally understand the logic of clubs bringing in lots of young talent, far cheaper than having to buy them later, but its detrimental to the youngsters and clubs they come from. Money talks, though, and can't see UEFA facing off the big clubs.
Happily Mou's new left hand man replacing Faria is our old under 18's coach, so this should hopefully bring more chances for the younger guys like Chong, Gomes etc. EPL is still a physical environment though, not good for them to come in and just get clumped all over the park so they do need a bit of protection / strengthening. Chong has already had one serious injury.
Agree with a lot of Deltona's comments about youth players being hoarded - but it's a UEFA problem to sort out. Needs to be a cap on loans somehow, especially loans of non domestic players. I am aware of the hypocrisy considering I just suggested a loan for Rashford, but I think we are far from the worst culprits for this. I can totally understand the logic of clubs bringing in lots of young talent, far cheaper than having to buy them later, but its detrimental to the youngsters and clubs they come from. Money talks, though, and can't see UEFA facing off the big clubs.
Happily Mou's new left hand man replacing Faria is our old under 18's coach, so this should hopefully bring more chances for the younger guys like Chong, Gomes etc. EPL is still a physical environment though, not good for them to come in and just get clumped all over the park so they do need a bit of protection / strengthening. Chong has already had one serious injury.
Jesus Christ.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Gone a bit AMG said:
Jesus Christ.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
I agree completely. Just speculating as to whether he will make it. I think it’s far from clear that he will, but he should of course be given every opportunity to flourish. Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Alpinestars said:
DeltonaS said:
I'm very exited about Rashford as well, still young but is doing great at United.
Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
I actually think Rashford is overrated. Very inconsistent, very selfish with the ball, often makes the wrong decision, tries to do too much, but sometimes wonderful. Make or break in the next 2 or 3 years. He could end up being a Danny Wellbeck. Depay by the way is diff. story. Difficult character. Which many already pointed out early on at United when he seemed more interested in buying cars than hat focus on his career.
He's now doing great at Lyon by the way.
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