The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[jammy-git]

Helicopter123 said:

jammy-git said:

Is it fine whilst he's racking up trophies? I'm not sure he'll ever win the Champions League or Premier League playing such dull, defensive football and will it be OK for fans if he wins a few League Cups, FA Cups and the odd Europa League whilst playing such uninteresting football?

But he's won titles and CL's in the past at multiple clubs with this brand of football.

Its proven to be highly effective.

Fun fact, it's been nearly 6 years since he won his last title and nearly 8 years since he last won the Champions League, despite managing the two richest clubs in the land during that time.

[LocoCoco]

Gavia said:

LocoCoco said:

So, if somehow all the PL teams get knocked out or if only 1 makes it through, you'd expect an all PL tie in the draw?

Just pointing out mistakes like you did, not after an answer.

You’re going to get an answer mistakes I pointed out were highly relevant to the discussion. The technicality you’ve posted is irrelevant.

At least two teams are definitely going through, City and Liverpool, unless you think the teams that got walloped at home are suddenly going to turn into goal machines away from home. Spurs look good value too with their away goals, United have a half decent chance at home, but a 0-0 away draw isn’t ideal. Chelsea look quite unlikely, but not impossible.

If less than 3 PL teams go through I’d be amazed, if less than two then I’ll pay a charity of your choice £1,000.

Would you pay any money to charity if there's no all PL tie in the last 8?

[Challo]

jammy-git said:

Helicopter123 said:

jammy-git said:

Is it fine whilst he's racking up trophies? I'm not sure he'll ever win the Champions League or Premier League playing such dull, defensive football and will it be OK for fans if he wins a few League Cups, FA Cups and the odd Europa League whilst playing such uninteresting football?

But he's won titles and CL's in the past at multiple clubs with this brand of football.

Its proven to be highly effective.

Fun fact, it's been nearly 6 years since he won his last title and nearly 8 years since he last won the Champions League, despite managing the two richest clubs in the land during that time.

Didn't he win his last title with Chelsea in 2015??

And they won the league scoring 73 goals which was the second highest that season. Winning titles with dull boring football???

If you look at his first 2 seasons with United they have been pretty poor in terms of goal scoring. This season has been better and we are only 1 goal behind the mighty spuds in terms of goals scored, but we have a better defensive record. Liverpool and City are the league leaders in terms of goals scored.

Edited by Challo on Thursday 22 February 15:04

[anonymous-user]

Challo said:

Didn't he win his last title with Chelsea in 2015??

[Gavia]

Challo said:

jammy-git said:

Helicopter123 said:

jammy-git said:

Is it fine whilst he's racking up trophies? I'm not sure he'll ever win the Champions League or Premier League playing such dull, defensive football and will it be OK for fans if he wins a few League Cups, FA Cups and the odd Europa League whilst playing such uninteresting football?

But he's won titles and CL's in the past at multiple clubs with this brand of football.

Its proven to be highly effective.

Fun fact, it's been nearly 6 years since he won his last title and nearly 8 years since he last won the Champions League, despite managing the two richest clubs in the land during that time.

Didn't he win his last title with Chelsea in 2015??

Yes, fun fact. In Liverpool it’s 2021.

Even more fun, they still haven’t won a trophy.

[Big Raff]

Challo said:

Didn't he win his last title with Chelsea in 2015??

Don't let things like that get in the way of agendas

On the other question;

Clearly something up with Pog/Mou but with big ego's it is I suppose to be expected (though not aired)

We have had to deal with some pretty turgid stuff for a while, but Jose's teams have always been built on defence, and until I presume he has that confidence in the back 4 he is demanding more back tracking of the midfield and attacking players. Martial and Rashford do not offer that - hence their recent stints on the side lines. Pogba to a certain level also does not offer that...It's strange that over on Red Cafe, vs Spurs, the team that some people called for when we signed Sanchez was pretty much exactly the one Jose put out...despite the glaring problem of being over-run in midfield. That same team (formation) started against Newcastle and should have been enough...but that was one of those days.

I have to say i am a fan of JM and I don't mind that he has built teams with strength and power and has won it all but a bit of flare goes a long way. He should have been the immediate successor to SAF and he has done better than the two managers before him. All imo of course

Edited by Big Raff on Thursday 22 February 15:10

[franki68]

jammy-git said:

Fun fact, it's been nearly 6 years since he won his last title and nearly 8 years since he last won the Champions League, despite managing the two richest clubs in the land during that time.

maybe change your opening to False fact ?

[Gavia]

LocoCoco said:

Gavia said:

LocoCoco said:

So, if somehow all the PL teams get knocked out or if only 1 makes it through, you'd expect an all PL tie in the draw?

Just pointing out mistakes like you did, not after an answer.

You’re going to get an answer mistakes I pointed out were highly relevant to the discussion. The technicality you’ve posted is irrelevant.

At least two teams are definitely going through, City and Liverpool, unless you think the teams that got walloped at home are suddenly going to turn into goal machines away from home. Spurs look good value too with their away goals, United have a half decent chance at home, but a 0-0 away draw isn’t ideal. Chelsea look quite unlikely, but not impossible.

If less than 3 PL teams go through I’d be amazed, if less than two then I’ll pay a charity of your choice £1,000.

Would you pay any money to charity if there's no all PL tie in the last 8?

Not independently no.

One is my opinion and could quite well be wrong. However, if you are prepared to take the other side of the bet I.e. I pay if there is no all PL tie in the 1/4s, you pay if there is, then I’ll take a bet for charity.

The other is you trying to make me look daft and I’m prepared to call you on it, as it’s so unlikely. I’ve already made a few bets this year at a more realistic figure. The figure of £1000 is so high, as what you’re claiming could happen is simply not going to.

[GTO-3R]

LoonyTunes said:

These are the likely Quarter Finalists

Real Madrid
Barcelona
PSG
Bayern Munich
Man City
Liverpool
Tottenham
Man Utd

Who do you guys think you could beat over 2 legs from that list either through fate or dogged determination?

It's going to be tough for everyone/anyone though. It's one of the strongest probable last eight I'v seen in many a year.

How can Real Madrid and PSG go through when they're playing each other?

[LoonyTunes]

GTO-3R said:

LoonyTunes said:

These are the likely Quarter Finalists

Real Madrid
Barcelona
PSG
Bayern Munich
Man City
Liverpool
Tottenham
Man Utd

Who do you guys think you could beat over 2 legs from that list either through fate or dogged determination?

It's going to be tough for everyone/anyone though. It's one of the strongest probable last eight I'v seen in many a year.

How can Real Madrid and PSG go through when they're playing each other?

See the revised post at 13:06

[GTO-3R]

LoonyTunes said:

GTO-3R said:

LoonyTunes said:

These are the likely Quarter Finalists

Real Madrid
Barcelona
PSG
Bayern Munich
Man City
Liverpool
Tottenham
Man Utd

Who do you guys think you could beat over 2 legs from that list either through fate or dogged determination?

It's going to be tough for everyone/anyone though. It's one of the strongest probable last eight I'v seen in many a year.

How can Real Madrid and PSG go through when they're playing each other?

See the revised post at 13:06

Nothing to see here, of course I saw there was another page with the same question asked

[LocoCoco]

Gavia said:

LocoCoco said:

Gavia said:

LocoCoco said:

So, if somehow all the PL teams get knocked out or if only 1 makes it through, you'd expect an all PL tie in the draw?

Just pointing out mistakes like you did, not after an answer.

You’re going to get an answer mistakes I pointed out were highly relevant to the discussion. The technicality you’ve posted is irrelevant.

At least two teams are definitely going through, City and Liverpool, unless you think the teams that got walloped at home are suddenly going to turn into goal machines away from home. Spurs look good value too with their away goals, United have a half decent chance at home, but a 0-0 away draw isn’t ideal. Chelsea look quite unlikely, but not impossible.

If less than 3 PL teams go through I’d be amazed, if less than two then I’ll pay a charity of your choice £1,000.

Would you pay any money to charity if there's no all PL tie in the last 8?

Not independently no.

One is my opinion and could quite well be wrong. However, if you are prepared to take the other side of the bet I.e. I pay if there is no all PL tie in the 1/4s, you pay if there is, then I’ll take a bet for charity.

The other is you trying to make me look daft and I’m prepared to call you on it, as it’s so unlikely. I’ve already made a few bets this year at a more realistic figure. The figure of £1000 is so high, as what you’re claiming could happen is simply not going to.

They are both your opinion and could well be wrong.
I share your opinion and would stake everything I own on there being 2 or more premier league teams in the last 8 but that doesn't mean it's a certainty.

Thanks for offering me a bet but I've no interest in gambling with you.

[jammy-git]

Big Raff said:

I have to say i am a fan of JM and I don't mind that he has built teams with strength and power and has won it all but a bit of flare goes a long way. He should have been the immediate successor to SAF and he has done better than the two managers before him. All imo of course

I don't think JM should have taken over from Fergie. The difference in playing styles would have been even more stark.

[Big Raff]

jammy-git said:

Big Raff said:

I have to say i am a fan of JM and I don't mind that he has built teams with strength and power and has won it all but a bit of flare goes a long way. He should have been the immediate successor to SAF and he has done better than the two managers before him. All imo of course

I don't think JM should have taken over from Fergie. The difference in playing styles would have been even more stark.

I know it's a conversation that makes no difference now, but coming in straight after SAF I thnk would have steadied things a little better than the disaster we had with Moyes, and all the while also brought in (attracted) better talent - rather than only Fellaini, who is actually a very JM kind of player.

[anonymous-user]

Big Raff said:

I have to say i am a fan of JM and I don't mind that he has built teams with strength and power and has won it all but a bit of flare goes a long way. He should have been the immediate successor to SAF and he has done better than the two managers before him. All imo of course

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 22 February 15:10

He's spent a lot more than the two managers before him with not much improvement you mean?

[Big Raff]

Raygun said:

Big Raff said:

I have to say i am a fan of JM and I don't mind that he has built teams with strength and power and has won it all but a bit of flare goes a long way. He should have been the immediate successor to SAF and he has done better than the two managers before him. All imo of course

Edited by Big Raff on Thursday 22 February 15:10

He's spent a lot more than the two managers before him with not much improvement you mean?

I would say we have improved (results and performances), and the argument is there that he may not have spent much more than LVG. Sure spent more on individual players, but

Di Maria + Shaw + Herrera + Memphis + Schmidfield + Rojo + Blind + Darmian + Martial + Falcao + Romero (free) + Valdes (free) =

Pogba + Bailly + Lukaku + Lindelof + Matic + Miki/Sanchez + Zlatan (Free)

There is not that much in it...30m swing perhaps, 40 tops?

Add in the Moyes spend and he is under, and won more...

[200Plus Club]

Given where we were under Moyes and LVG we are in an improvement era so far. Europa win was pretty good considering where we started at that season. top 4 is acceptable for now, as is progress. most utd fans (as opposed to all the other clubs on this thread) seem to be ok with what hes doing, for now.
in 3 years time, if we are still doing similar but havent won the prem then maybe people get restless and look elsewhere, but tbh its a very select bunch who can manage and improve Man Utd.

[Alpinestars]

jammy-git said:

Helicopter123 said:

jammy-git said:

Is it fine whilst he's racking up trophies? I'm not sure he'll ever win the Champions League or Premier League playing such dull, defensive football and will it be OK for fans if he wins a few League Cups, FA Cups and the odd Europa League whilst playing such uninteresting football?

But he's won titles and CL's in the past at multiple clubs with this brand of football.

Its proven to be highly effective.

Fun fact, it's been nearly 6 years since he won his last title and nearly 8 years since he last won the Champions League, despite managing the two richest clubs in the land during that time.

More low hanging fodder from the scousers.

[anonymous-user]

200Plus Club said:

Given where we were under Moyes and LVG we are in an improvement era so far. Europa win was pretty good considering where we started at that season. top 4 is acceptable for now, as is progress. most utd fans (as opposed to all the other clubs on this thread) seem to be ok with what hes doing, for now.
in 3 years time, if we are still doing similar but havent won the prem then maybe people get restless and look elsewhere, but tbh its a very select bunch who can manage and improve Man Utd.

When you won the Europa League I really thought there were signs that Man Utd were getting back to their best but it's not been that great since although there's every chance you could be in the next round of the Champions League and winning the FA Cup which is something that won't be happening at my team which is Arsenal

[anniesdad]

Yes the 0-0 was pretty turgid, thankfully I missed most of the game but it's a 180 minute tie and that's how JM always thinks of it. He would have wanted to win that game and go back to OT with a goal(s) lead but to do that the players have to be the ones to do it. Yes he was pragmatic but as we've seen (Huddersfield away) this United team do have another gear that they can kick in to, if/when necessary. I'm not too concerned personally as it's a marathon not a sprint and JM is playing the long game. I do think as well that at least one eye was on Sunday's game against Chelsea that he will be desperate to win. Winning through ties is all important in cup competitions and it's not so much about entertaining the crowd as much as some might protest. I think we've seen more pragmatic performances after a very encouraging start in the premier league as City went on a winning run of games that we couldn't live with and so JM went more pragmatic in an attempt to ensure we kept points pace with them at the top. As it is it hasn't worked but he will have learned from that.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that to win the CL final we will have to play a lot better than we did against Sevilla. We have to be bolder with the ball and willing to try things that we aren't doing at the moment. Take more risk. My concern is that the players have been playing so long in what is at times a quite languid style of playing that they will struggle to turn up the wick when necessary. I would like to see a shift in mentality next season to go out and try and win games in the first half, taking the majority of possession. Picking teams off as they search to get something out of games and then being able to rest important players when games look like they have been won. I think we'll buy again in the summer and we'll be stronger again. We have seen the points gap widen to City and close to those below us so we have to be careful that we don't undo what was a good start to the season by having a poor finish. I think he should unshackle the players a little and certainly allow Pogba more freedom. He doesn't look like he's enjoying his football at the moment, as do a few others and we need to get that feel-good factor back.

Work in progress and as I've said before it's layers. There has been an improvement over last season generally and it wouldn't surprise me if we do win a trophy come season end.