The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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Seventy said:
Shamrock_ said:
I actually pity them.
Can you imagine being like that?!
Can you imagine being banned from PH and returning under a different guise?Can you imagine being like that?!
How f
king sad is that?
Spuds tore them a new one at Wembley and then had over 60% possession at Anfield and should have won, so I can see their issue with you lot.
If banned I’d come back and have a pop at them at every oppo if humiliated like that. Fortunately we beat them at home so I can let it go.
Just flicked Sky Sports News on and Ray Wilkins has announced that “it’s harder for London clubs to win the League, because of how many derbies they play compared to the Northern teams”
Hmmmmmm 6 London clubs, I’m including Watford, as they’re inside the M25
5 NW club’s, hardly a lot more is it?
Hmmmmmm 6 London clubs, I’m including Watford, as they’re inside the M25
5 NW club’s, hardly a lot more is it?
Gavia said:
Just flicked Sky Sports News on and Ray Wilkins has announced that “it’s harder for London clubs to win the League, because of how many derbies they play compared to the Northern teams”
Hmmmmmm 6 London clubs, I’m including Watford, as they’re inside the M25
5 NW club’s, hardly a lot more is it?
They all hate each other in a way that only United and Liverpool hate each other in the North West though.Hmmmmmm 6 London clubs, I’m including Watford, as they’re inside the M25
5 NW club’s, hardly a lot more is it?
West Ham hate Chelsea and Tottenham (and Millwall obvs)
Chelsea hate West Ham & Tottenham
Arsenal hate Tottenham (and also Chelsea I believe but can't be sure)
Tottenham hate Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham
Crystal Palace - No one cares
Watford - ditto
Liverpool and United tolerate Everton and City but of course want to beat them.
You obviously have no idea how big the rivalries are in the NW. Every team wants to beat local teams and then there’s the ABU factor as well. Look how Wigan have performed against City in recent FA Cup matches.
There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
Gavia said:
You obviously have no idea how big the rivalries are in the NW. Every team wants to beat local teams and then there’s the ABU factor as well. Look how Wigan have performed against City in recent FA Cup matches.
There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
Of course I have an idea how big the rivalries are in the NW but the pure venom and spite of a London derby is only equaled by United vs Liverpool.There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
It's not just me saying that either. This is a well known fact. Wilkins has played for both United and Chelsea.
Tottenham will have to face the hostility of a Liverpool vs United game at least 6 times during the course of the season whilst United and Liverpool face each other twice. Likewise the other 3 London clubs.
I'm not saying that you don't REALLY want to beat your local rivals and the rise of City means that eventually you can throw them into the mix too but at the moment Wilkins is correct.
LoonyTunes said:
Of course I have an idea how big the rivalries are in the NW but the pure venom and spite of a London derby is only equaled by United vs Liverpool.
It's not just me saying that either. This is a well known fact. Wilkins has played for both United and Chelsea.
Tottenham will have to face the hostility of a Liverpool vs United game at least 6 times during the course of the season whilst United and Liverpool face each other twice. Likewise the other 3 London clubs.
I'm not saying that you don't REALLY want to beat your local rivals and the rise of City means that eventually you can throw them into the mix too but at the moment Wilkins is correct.
Have you ever been to Turf Moor, or Goodison when United are playing? They are anything but friendly places. However, Upton Park was equally unfriendly, as is the Britannia Stadium, St James Park, to name just three. It's not just me saying that either. This is a well known fact. Wilkins has played for both United and Chelsea.
Tottenham will have to face the hostility of a Liverpool vs United game at least 6 times during the course of the season whilst United and Liverpool face each other twice. Likewise the other 3 London clubs.
I'm not saying that you don't REALLY want to beat your local rivals and the rise of City means that eventually you can throw them into the mix too but at the moment Wilkins is correct.
Even before City won the lottery, this was their biggest game of the season. Even the few that post on the City thread admit that they’d accept relegation and victory over United given a choice prior to the money arriving.
The hatred for United knows no geographical boundaries and we probably wouldn’t have it any other way, as it’s all we’ve ever known.
To suggest that London clubs have it tougher is farcical. It’s just the way it’s is. Do you think we go to Chelsea, or Arsenal, or Wembley and the crowd are as subdued as they are when Huddersfield turn up?
The comment about Arsenal Spurs not playing at home at the same time is moot. That’s the same the country over with local rivals.
LoonyTunes said:
Gavia said:
You obviously have no idea how big the rivalries are in the NW. Every team wants to beat local teams and then there’s the ABU factor as well. Look how Wigan have performed against City in recent FA Cup matches.
There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
Of course I have an idea how big the rivalries are in the NW but the pure venom and spite of a London derby is only equaled by United vs Liverpool.There is also the simple fact that United won many titles when the PL was full of NW clubs, all of whom hate United, although the feeling is one of indifference from our side towards, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn et al.
It's not just me saying that either. This is a well known fact. Wilkins has played for both United and Chelsea.
Tottenham will have to face the hostility of a Liverpool vs United game at least 6 times during the course of the season whilst United and Liverpool face each other twice. Likewise the other 3 London clubs.
I'm not saying that you don't REALLY want to beat your local rivals and the rise of City means that eventually you can throw them into the mix too but at the moment Wilkins is correct.
Sheff Utd and Wednesday historically have had a hardcore hooligan element and the derby (when it happened) was traditionally the opening for perhaps a week of fighting and smashing up each others "pubs". this extended into Sheffield town centre, not just near the grounds, and is probably typical of any big city with 2 or more clubs.
Man Utd / City hasnt had the appeal for years of course because City were not even also rans, its always been the hatred towards Liverpool for their success prior to very recently.
200Plus Club said:
Man Utd / City hasnt had the appeal for years of course because City were not even also rans, its always been the hatred towards Liverpool for their success prior to very recently.
The enmity between Liverpool and Manchester is far deeper than just football. That's just how it gets expressed these days.My old man blamed the Manchester Ship Canal.
Gavia said:
To suggest that London clubs have it tougher is farcical.
Only to you it would appear. To anybody with knowledge of the game, not so much.https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-...
As Conti says, you only really have 1 derby, Liverpool are not a part of Greater Manchester.
Scousers and Mancs are different tribes - we're all Londoners.
That's nuts. Every top 6 club wants to beat each other with equal passion, regardless of whether it's a derby.
On top of that you have local derbies like Spurs vs West Ham and Liverpool vs Everton. I don't think any of the top six clubs have any more difficult games because of locality.
On top of that you have local derbies like Spurs vs West Ham and Liverpool vs Everton. I don't think any of the top six clubs have any more difficult games because of locality.
LoonyTunes said:
Only to you it would appear. To anybody with knowledge of the game, not so much.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-...
As Conti says, you only really have 1 derby, Liverpool are not a part of Greater Manchester.
Ah yes, the true voice of independent proof; a London manager in a London newspaper says it’s harder for a London club to win due to the amount of derbies.https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/antonio-...
As Conti says, you only really have 1 derby, Liverpool are not a part of Greater Manchester.
However, if anything, your argument is self defeating, as it proves that the matches United face are far tougher outside their geographical limits of a derby. Do you really think that Arsenal turning up at Goodison has the same crowd and team response as United? What about Spurs at Huddersfield? Or any of the Top 6 vs Newcastle, who fought tooth and nail a couple of weeks back with the crowd roaring them on as if it wasn’t the Keegan era relived?
The point I’m making is that every team faces tough matches all season long. United are universally a team that means the home team sells out as they fight tooth and nail. That’s something we have to deal with, not cry about. The current champions face a similar challenge, whoever they are, as everyone wants to beat them too.
jammy-git said:
That's nuts. Every top 6 club wants to beat each other with equal passion, regardless of whether it's a derby.
On top of that you have local derbies like Spurs vs West Ham and Liverpool vs Everton. I don't think any of the top six clubs have any more difficult games because of locality.
Well you wouldn't would you, you support Liverpool and you're only really 'bitter' rivals are United and that's not a true derby. Listen to Wilkins, Conti and others on the subject and you'll learn something. This proposition has been talked about at length on talksport and elsewhere.On top of that you have local derbies like Spurs vs West Ham and Liverpool vs Everton. I don't think any of the top six clubs have any more difficult games because of locality.
And Tottenham vs City is not a "passionate affair". It's an intriguing game as is vs Liverpool. Totts vs Chelsea & West Ham et all are passionate affairs.
Anyway this is going around in circles now. Bye.
LoonyTunes said:
Well you wouldn't would you, you support Liverpool and you're only really 'bitter' rivals are United and that's not a true derby. Listen to Wilkins, Conti and others on the subject and you'll learn something. This proposition has been talked about at length on talksport and elsewhere.
And Tottenham vs City is not a "passionate affair". It's an intriguing game as is vs Liverpool. Totts vs Chelsea & West Ham et all are passionate affairs.
Anyway this is going around in circles now. Bye.
And Tottenham vs City is not a "passionate affair". It's an intriguing game as is vs Liverpool. Totts vs Chelsea & West Ham et all are passionate affairs.
Anyway this is going around in circles now. Bye.
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