The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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Gavia said:
I can’t believe what I’m reading on here. Are you seriously suggesting sending Rashford out on loan? He’s entering his 4th season since his break through. He needs to be used, instead of us buying older players for a trazillion pounds who offer little else.
He absolutely needs to be used - his improvement needs regular games now. But ask yourself do you honestly see it happening for us this season? If you do, fair enough. If you don't, would you rather he was on and off the bench each week, getting frustrated, or out on loan getting a game a week?No ones suggesting dumping the lad, but doing what is best for him right now.
Gone a bit AMG said:
Jesus Christ.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Sorry, but no. No one has a divine right to get better. I don’t see much improvement in him since his debut. I obviously would love him to be a star, but the jury is out for me. We’ve had many young players who people have thought would be the next x,y or z. Unfortunately the reality is that not many of them reach those levels. Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
bstb3 said:
He absolutely needs to be used - his improvement needs regular games now. But ask yourself do you honestly see it happening for us this season? If you do, fair enough. If you don't, would you rather he was on and off the bench each week, getting frustrated, or out on loan getting a game a week?
No ones suggesting dumping the lad, but doing what is best for him right now.
I don’t think he’d improve now if he went in loan, if anything that would just be a precursor to selling him. I’d like to think he can force himself into permanent contention, but Sanchez has fNo ones suggesting dumping the lad, but doing what is best for him right now.
ked that up royally for us. I’d accept it if Sanchez was setting the world on fire, but he is disappointingly a folly at the moment. And a stupidly expensive one at that. I know what you mean, but I don't think he has the trust of Mourinho enough for that to happen sadly. He's going to have a short preseason too after the WC, which will make it even harder for him. I'd hate for him to be looking for a move in Jan due to game time, because that helps no one.
ORD said:
Gone a bit AMG said:
Jesus Christ.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
I agree completely. Just speculating as to whether he will make it. I think it’s far from clear that he will, but he should of course be given every opportunity to flourish. Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Rashford has a chance to make it, but he is not the finished article yet.
He needs to kick on again if he wants a regular start.
Helicopter123 said:
ORD said:
Gone a bit AMG said:
Jesus Christ.
Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
I agree completely. Just speculating as to whether he will make it. I think it’s far from clear that he will, but he should of course be given every opportunity to flourish. Rashford is not 21 until October. Give the lad a break. He's been an outstanding talent and will only get better. Straight from the youth team to first, never been out on loan, just been to his first World Cup.
Ronaldo was in his 4th season before he scored over 20 goals. I might be on my own but I'd give Rashford a couple more years yet.
Rashford has a chance to make it, but he is not the finished article yet.
He needs to kick on again if he wants a regular start.
General Price said:
He needs to get away from Mourinho before he completely ruins him.
That's tosh I'm afraid. Mourinho used him at key times last year and when lukaku was injured and he was very disappointing. Jose has given him and martial a load of time on pitch neither have set pulses racing last season. Yes Sanchez coming in upset the rhythm a bit and put noses out but he also failed to shine. Only at the very end of the season did he show glimpses.Make or break season for Rash, martial, Sanchez and Shaw. Rash may be loaned and come back better for it is all people are saying not let him go.
Alpinestars said:
General Price said:
He needs to get away from Mourinho before he completely ruins him.
How well did he play for England?General Price said:
Alpinestars said:
General Price said:
He needs to get away from Mourinho before he completely ruins him.
How well did he play for England?They were at a club where instant success was demanded by the owner ,they both got chances and were both very poor ,lampard more or less said Salah was crap when he played and it was totally understandable that he was sold .
I think it’s more reflective of Chelsea than of Mourinho that neither succeeded there.
There’s no chance Rashford will go out on loan. He’s established now. If he goes it will because we sell him for £100M+ probably. As I see it, he’ll not be going anywhere. He’s part of the future at United and like all the players in the squad has to perform week in week out to be considered a regular starter. If he’s out and he gets a chance he has to take it. He’s not the finished article yet but if he becomes it then he’ll be pretty much unstoppable. He’s got all the attributes to be just as effective as Mbappe.
franki68 said:
I would refer you to frank lampards comments about Salah and his time at Chelsea and likewise De Bruyne.
They were at a club where instant success was demanded by the owner ,they both got chances and were both very poor ,lampard more or less said Salah was crap when he played and it was totally understandable that he was sold .
I think it’s more reflective of Chelsea than of Mourinho that neither succeeded there.
You made that up? They were at a club where instant success was demanded by the owner ,they both got chances and were both very poor ,lampard more or less said Salah was crap when he played and it was totally understandable that he was sold .
I think it’s more reflective of Chelsea than of Mourinho that neither succeeded there.
He said competition was fierce and they were young so they made a choice to move on which was right for them..
Probably similar to Rashford and Martial
anniesdad said:
There’s no chance Rashford will go out on loan. He’s established now. If he goes it will because we sell him for £100M+ probably. As I see it, he’ll not be going anywhere. He’s part of the future at United and like all the players in the squad has to perform week in week out to be considered a regular starter. If he’s out and he gets a chance he has to take it. He’s not the finished article yet but if he becomes it then he’ll be pretty much unstoppable. He’s got all the attributes to be just as effective as Mbappe.
Last bit is OTT! He’s nowhere near as powerful and has not got anything like the eye for a pass. m3sye said:
franki68 said:
I would refer you to frank lampards comments about Salah and his time at Chelsea and likewise De Bruyne.
They were at a club where instant success was demanded by the owner ,they both got chances and were both very poor ,lampard more or less said Salah was crap when he played and it was totally understandable that he was sold .
I think it’s more reflective of Chelsea than of Mourinho that neither succeeded there.
You made that up? They were at a club where instant success was demanded by the owner ,they both got chances and were both very poor ,lampard more or less said Salah was crap when he played and it was totally understandable that he was sold .
I think it’s more reflective of Chelsea than of Mourinho that neither succeeded there.
He said competition was fierce and they were young so they made a choice to move on which was right for them..
Probably similar to Rashford and Martial
Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
And your reference confirms it was not Jose’s fault either .
franki68 said:
Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
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That's pretty much poppycock sir..
Chelsea boys have won the FA Youth Cup for five consecutive seasons now, they must be doing something right.
Then they sell pretty average young players for big sums of money, Not saying it's the right way to go about things but it certainly works for them.
franki68 said:
Nope,he did an interview where he stated Salah got his chance and was awful ,there were very good players ahead of him and based on that selling him made sense at the time.(unless you think he has only ever done one interview )
Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
And your reference confirms it was not Jose’s fault either .
Salah started 6 games, Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
And your reference confirms it was not Jose’s fault either .
This is the interview he did and i saw ..which was on sky...
Wheres the one he says he was s
t?https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
m3sye said:
franki68 said:
Nope,he did an interview where he stated Salah got his chance and was awful ,there were very good players ahead of him and based on that selling him made sense at the time.(unless you think he has only ever done one interview )
Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
And your reference confirms it was not Jose’s fault either .
Salah started 6 games, Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
And your reference confirms it was not Jose’s fault either .
This is the interview he did and i saw ..which was on sky...
Wheres the one he says he was s
t?https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co....
t ,he said something along the lines of he wasn’t good enough when he did play and had the likes of hazard and mata ahead of him .Ok,I will spend the next few hours trawling through hundreds of football interviews to prove a point to some stranger off the Internet .
Or maybe not.
Edited by franki68 on Sunday 22 July 11:45
Black can man said:
franki68 said:
Either way Chelsea have no record of developing young players under any manager since RA took over.
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That's pretty much poppycock sir..
Chelsea boys have won the FA Youth Cup for five consecutive seasons now, they must be doing something right.
Then they sell pretty average young players for big sums of money, Not saying it's the right way to go about things but it certainly works for them.
Black can man said:
That's pretty much poppycock sir.
Chelsea boys have won the FA Youth Cup for five consecutive seasons now, they must be doing something right.
Then they sell pretty average young players for big sums of money, Not saying it's the right way to go about things but it certainly works for them.
Brilliant, United get accused of not developing youth, despite us always having at least one player from the academy in the 1st XI and also having this conveyor belt of young talent that wins things regularly, but we sell on. However, Chelsea doing it is fine though and evidences their investment in youth Chelsea boys have won the FA Youth Cup for five consecutive seasons now, they must be doing something right.
Then they sell pretty average young players for big sums of money, Not saying it's the right way to go about things but it certainly works for them.
I’d ignore m3sye he’s on an even bigger WUM with his throwaway Rashford / Martial comment. His whole argument hinges on Alexander-Arnold, as without him Liverpool are pretty much a bought side with no self developed youth of note.
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