The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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ORD said:
I agree with that. It’s one of the best jobs in World football for someone with confidence and a plan.
It can't just be one man each time which is sinking the ship though, can it? Even though the backing is there from the board, the hoops one has to jump through to achieve what they want are too much. I daresay Zidane would be in the same frustrating position if he took over, although I really think he is not the answer. Woodward has his hand on the tiller, and also padlocks and a chain. That tiller aint moving.
desolate said:
LoonyTunes said:
Not gonna happen - if Real Madrid can't tempt him away Man United have no chance.
There is much more chance of building a legacy at Man Utd than there is at Real Madrid so it's a much better job for someone like MP.Wenger is available .
The gaz Neville article is an interesting read ,he makes the same point I did about supporting the manager ,but also how well run clubs like Bayern and city are in comparison to united on the football side .
I always felt Woodward would be happy turning united into the Harlem globetrotters of football ,not competing for stuff but being an exhibition team .
I always felt Woodward would be happy turning united into the Harlem globetrotters of football ,not competing for stuff but being an exhibition team .
franki68 said:
The gaz Neville article is an interesting read ,he makes the same point I did about supporting the manager ,but also how well run clubs like Bayern and city are in comparison to united on the football side .
I always felt Woodward would be happy turning united into the Harlem globetrotters of football ,not competing for stuff but being an exhibition team .
I don’t think he’d set out to do that deliberately, but he might by accident. Setting football targets based on financial income is the start of a slippery slope. It’s common knowledge that CL football is required to stay in the manager’s job, so accepting 4th spot is sufficient for that, but unacceptable to all fans. Most of us would prefer to be entertained and fail spectacularly than “succeed” in hitting the financial targets and be bored to death. I always felt Woodward would be happy turning united into the Harlem globetrotters of football ,not competing for stuff but being an exhibition team .
Nobody with a seat at the top table comes out of this with any dignity IMO.
Gavia said:
I don’t think he’d set out to do that deliberately, but he might by accident. Setting football targets based on financial income is the start of a slippery slope. It’s common knowledge that CL football is required to 9stay in the manager’s job, so accepting 4th spot is sufficient for that, but unacceptable to all fans. Most of us would prefer to be entertained and fail spectacularly than “succeed” in hitting the financial targets and be bored to death.
Nobody with a seat at the top table comes out of this with any dignity IMO.
Very true, fans don't really count anymore as such as bums on seats revenue is nowmatched or beaten by income from other streams. Recent report confirmed that most prem big clubs could run without any fans being in the stadium I believe.Nobody with a seat at the top table comes out of this with any dignity IMO.
The old attacking win or lose mentality is definitely gone these days for Utd and others.
Meanwhile the share price has just hit a record high.
That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
franki68 said:
Meanwhile the share price has just hit a record high.
That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
Agree on all parts. I still don’t think that buying 482 CBs in the vain hope that a pair might turn out to be OK would be a good approach either though That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
franki68 said:
Meanwhile the share price has just hit a record high.
That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
The points never tell the whole story, but I agree. Utd performed well last season in terms of picking up points even when not firing on all cylinders. I don't think we will get more points this season than last. That’s half the problem ,the brand is so strong that not winning the league or ecl becomes an irrelevance to the owners .
And just back to the point about being told to make do with just the signing of Fred ,United were 19 points behind city,no player in the world would make up that gap by themselves ,in restricting the purchases the board conceded the title before the season started.
200Plus Club said:
Time will tell if he is a great manager and can turn this poor start into something much better. Players also responsible as Pogba admitted. We were plain s
te against Brighton and not brilliant despite beating Leicester. Ten games in we'll know better.
At last! Yes, the players should shoulder a large part of the blame. They are meant to be amongst the best in the country and at the end of the day a set of tactics can't hobble them so much that they would lose in such a manner to Brighton.te against Brighton and not brilliant despite beating Leicester. Ten games in we'll know better. Brighton are very well managed and organised as a unit, however.
Monday night will be very interesting. I fully expect Spurs to have the majority of the possession and for United to try and hit them on the break. It worked last season but frankly United were lucky that day as Spurs squandered golden opportunities to score - I can't see that happening twice in a row - so what would be the fall-out from the United fans should Spurs win say 1-0 or 2-0 and having had the majority of the ball?
Like I say - Monday will be very interesting.
They'll probably win 3-0 with 80% possession now I've said that
Like I say - Monday will be very interesting.
They'll probably win 3-0 with 80% possession now I've said that
No result on Monday will change a thing for me. Well, that’s not quite true: if we go out and play attacking football and spank them, it will mean Mou has seen the light. That would make a huge difference.
But that isn’t going to happen. The only realistic outcomes are that we win or lose or draw playing horrible and defensive football. I’ll be pleased with a win, but it won’t change my view on Mou and his lack of a plan.
But that isn’t going to happen. The only realistic outcomes are that we win or lose or draw playing horrible and defensive football. I’ll be pleased with a win, but it won’t change my view on Mou and his lack of a plan.
Black can man said:
Liverpool will smash them up come tomorrow though .
Liverpool to win by 4 is only even money with paddy power at the weekend.
Probably of more interest to Liverpool fans on the Liverpool thread tbh. I care not. Liverpool to win by 4 is only even money with paddy power at the weekend.
I am interested in watching how/if Utd players pull themselves out of a hole against spurs.
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