The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[vonuber]

ORD said:

Not the place to beg for more fans, but God knows City needs them. Maybe oil money success is no substitute for a heart and soul.

What's the heart and soul of a PLC, exactly?

[Frimley111R]

Fundamentally I feel we are stuck as a top team (as in filling one of the top 6 places in the Prem) but we're showing no signs of improving. We're struggling to score and struggling not to concede. Its been like that for quite a while.

[ORD]

vonuber said:

What's the heart and soul of a PLC, exactly?

Let me help you: some clubs, and Utd are one, built their huge modern presence through hard work and success and fans all over the world loving them. Other clubs are plastic recent inventions, playthings of narcissist owners that tagged onto what were previously small and pointless but at least genuine clubs.

City are in the second category. See also Chelsea.

[selym]

ORD said:

vonuber said:

What's the heart and soul of a PLC, exactly?

Let me help you: some clubs, and Utd are one, built their huge modern presence through hard work and success and fans all over the world loving them. Other clubs are plastic recent inventions, playthings of narcissist owners that tagged onto what were previously small and pointless but at least genuine clubs.

City are in the second category. See also Chelsea.

....and you criticise Liverpool supporters for harping on about past glories! You can't go on because other clubs are now successful, following a model that 99% of the big clubs work to.
If not being a 'plastic' club is all you can hang your hat on, you might need to look at what you regard as bragging rights.

[Wacky Racer]

ORD said:

vonuber said:

What's the heart and soul of a PLC, exactly?

Let me help you: some clubs, and Utd are one, built their huge modern presence through hard work and success and fans all over the world loving them.

Lol!

Maybe players like Beckham, Scholes and G Neville in the past would have sweated blood for the badge, but the current lot of players are journeymen, just there for the money like at most big clubs.

[anniesdad]

Wacky Racer said:

So any of you United lot fancy coming over to the dark side and swapping your allegiance to City? I know anniesdad is giving it some serious thought.

I'd rather stick forks in my eyes.

My grandad used to drag me to Maine Road (Kippax stand) when I was a kid, desperate for me to be a blue. I always wanted to go with my uncle to Old Trafford. I'll never forget the first time I set foot in Old Trafford. I'll never be a blue.

[Wacky Racer]

anniesdad said:

Wacky Racer said:

So any of you United lot fancy coming over to the dark side and swapping your allegiance to City? I know anniesdad is giving it some serious thought.

I'd rather stick forks in my eyes.

My grandad used to drag me to Maine Road (Kippax stand) when I was a kid, desperate for me to be a blue. I always wanted to go with my uncle to Old Trafford. I'll never forget the first time I set foot in Old Trafford. I'll never be a blue.

Fair enough. You are always welcome to pop in on our forum though anytime

[GTO-3R]

How can you tel United have DRAWN a game....all the usual suspects are in here talking bks again!

Dalot offers far far more down the right than Valencia does so hopefully Jose gives him more games.

[anniesdad]

Wacky Racer said:

Fair enough. You are always welcome to pop in on our forum though anytime

I'll say this, If mathematically we couldn't do it and it was down to the two of you, I'd far rather you won the title than Liverpool any day. We have a shared responsibility to ensure they never (again) win the title.

[anniesdad]

Frimley111R said:

Fundamentally I feel we are stuck as a top team (as in filling one of the top 6 places in the Prem) but we're showing no signs of improving. We're struggling to score and struggling not to concede. Its been like that for quite a while.

Hold me...

Listen we have Derby tomorrow, let's beat them and progress in the Carabao and then we go again in the league. All we can do is look forward really.

I think JM does need to make a decision about Sanchez. Can't believe I'm saying this but it does look as though this period of a hangover he seems to be in shows no signs of abating. JM needs to be brave and make a decision either to play the ever lasting sulker and drop Sanchez or wait for Rashford to come back and play him on the left with Mata on the right.

Or go 3-5-2 and play Martial up with Lukaku.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 24th September 09:36

[ORD]

anniesdad said:

Hold me...

Listen we have Derby tomorrow, let's beat them and progress in the Carabao and then we go again in the league. All we can do is look forward really.

I think JM does need to make a decision about Sanchez. Can't believe I'm saying this but it does look as though this period of a hangover he seems to be in shows no signs of abating. JM needs to be brave and make a decision either to play the ever lasting sulker and drop Sanchez or wait for Rashford to come back and play him on the left with Mata on the right.

Or go 3-5-2 and play Martial up with Lukaku.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 24th September 09:36

He’s right, though - zero sign of any improvement at all. We are miles behind Liverpool and City already.

As for Sanchez, if he wasn’t a big name, he never would have seen even half the games that he has. He’s unbelievably bad.

[anniesdad]

ORD said:

He’s right, though - zero sign of any improvement at all. We are miles behind Liverpool and City already.

As for Sanchez, if he wasn’t a big name, he never would have seen even half the games that he has. He’s unbelievably bad.

Saturday was a missed opportunity, yet again. But...we're 8 points behind, that's all. We need to go on a run and the teams at the top need to drop a few points which they will. That gap could soon close, we're still in September....

I've not given up yet.

[GTO-3R]

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

[57Ford]

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Agree re Mata but here’s a wacky idea, why not play the right footed Martial on the right wing? He’s got enough pace and skill to beat the fullback and whip in crosses for Lukaku to meet. I know it’s not fashionable but surely it’s worth a go?

[Alpinestars]

57Ford said:

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Agree re Mata but here’s a wacky idea, why not play the right footed Martial on the right wing? He’s got enough pace and skill to beat the fullback and whip in crosses for Lukaku to meet. I know it’s not fashionable but surely it’s worth a go?

I agree. We’re getting to the stage where Maureen needs to go for boom or bust in my view (not justbecause of where we are this season, but because of his future at the club). Play a quick front line, and let the shackles off.

But, it’s hard to know whether it’s his tactics or his tactics and the players not giving 100% - pog, Lukaku, martial.

[uk66fastback]

You didn't need Sanchez at all when you got him, I couldn't understand why you were desperate for him. There were other areas in which you should have strengthened first.

I suppose it meant Miki leaving which made things easier on that front but his wage demands were just crazy (and you fell for 'em) ...

[Black can man]

uk66fastback said:

You didn't need Sanchez at all when you got him, I couldn't understand why you were desperate for him. ..

Who else could they have got to tinkle the old ivories Mrs Mills esq with the half time oranges ?

[anniesdad]

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Jesse through the middle for me.

[Cie]

anniesdad said:

ORD said:

He’s right, though - zero sign of any improvement at all. We are miles behind Liverpool and City already.

As for Sanchez, if he wasn’t a big name, he never would have seen even half the games that he has. He’s unbelievably bad.

Saturday was a missed opportunity, yet again. But...we're 8 points behind, that's all. We need to go on a run and the teams at the top need to drop a few points which they will. That gap could soon close, we're still in September....

I've not given up yet.

I keep seeing a few posts like that. Like we need to go on a run obviously, but where's any evidence that we're going to? I just don't feel much confidence in this side at all. It's telling that while watching the game I wasn't at all surprised we dropped points, it never is a surprise any more.

I don't know what the answer is either from here. We've tried big signings, we've got a manager with one of the best records for winning trophies, we're still here in the chasing pack.

[GTO-3R]

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Jesse through the middle for me.

I agree but of all the players we have, Jesse is the only one I can see playing on the right! Martial and Rashford aren't the answer out there.