The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[anniesdad]

Cie said:

I keep seeing a few posts like that. Like we need to go on a run obviously, but where's any evidence that we're going to? I just don't feel much confidence in this side at all. It's telling that while watching the game I wasn't at all surprised we dropped points, it never is a surprise any more.

I don't know what the answer is either from here. We've tried big signings, we've got a manager with one of the best records for winning trophies, we're still here in the chasing pack.

Yeah I understand the feeling completely. It's so frustrating being a United fan, it is like 2 steps forward, 1 back.

We do have some quality players and a quality manager with I would hope quality coaching staff. It's right, I believe, to think that at some point they'll get it right and the team can put a good run together. But if they are going to do it they have to do it now and put this distinctly average start behind them.

[anniesdad]

GTO-3R said:

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Jesse through the middle for me.

I agree but of all the players we have, Jesse is the only one I can see playing on the right! Martial and Rashford aren't the answer out there.

I wouldn't disagree about Mata being a 10 by the way.

Maybe Dalot is in a 3-5-2? He looked totally comfortable out on the right (can play on the left too).

Why not just let him go and see how he does? Valencia offered very little on Saturday.

[GTO-3R]

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Jesse through the middle for me.

I agree but of all the players we have, Jesse is the only one I can see playing on the right! Martial and Rashford aren't the answer out there.

I wouldn't disagree about Mata being a 10 by the way.

Maybe Dalot is in a 3-5-2? He looked totally comfortable out on the right (can play on the left too).

Why not just let him go and see how he does? Valencia offered very little on Saturday.

100% agree.

Shaw and Dalot would work well in a 352 with Smalling Bailly & Lindelof at the back! We need attacking width and not everything through Pogba in the middle!

[uk66fastback]

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

anniesdad said:

GTO-3R said:

Mata is NOT the answer on the right, we always come unstuck when he's out there as he's got no pace. He's a 10 all day long. The only realistic right sided "winger" we've got is Lingard!

Jesse through the middle for me.

I agree but of all the players we have, Jesse is the only one I can see playing on the right! Martial and Rashford aren't the answer out there.

I wouldn't disagree about Mata being a 10 by the way.

Maybe Dalot is in a 3-5-2? He looked totally comfortable out on the right (can play on the left too).

Why not just let him go and see how he does? Valencia offered very little on Saturday.

Because Maureen doesn't 'just let players go' - and be footballers like they want to be. Hence Pogba's impassioned plea for the players to be let more off the leash in the papers this morning - which is a veiled criiticism of Maureen and his pragmatic tactics.

I know you want them to 'go on a run' - it's '2 steps forward, 1 back' etc - but you're in no different a position to that which others club's fans (apart from your own) have found themselves usually since the inception of the Premier League (and barring the last half decade) ... it ain't pleasurable I'm sure ... but because you keep saying it, doesn't mean it is going to happen!

[selym]

uk66fastback said:

Because Maureen doesn't 'just let players go' - and be footballers like they want to be. Hence Pogba's impassioned plea for the players to be let more off the leash in the papers this morning - which is a veiled criiticism of Maureen and his pragmatic tactics.

I know you want them to 'go on a run' - it's '2 steps forward, 1 back' etc - but you're in no different a position to that which others club's fans (apart from your own) have found themselves usually since the inception of the Premier League (and barring the last half decade) ... it ain't pleasurable I'm sure ... but because you keep saying it, doesn't mean it is going to happen!

Obviously Pogba wants to go, you don't make an impassioned plea in the newspaper unless you are angling for a move.

[GTO-3R]

selym said:

Obviously Pogba wants to go, you don't make an impassioned plea in the newspaper unless you are angling for a move.

Oh do just fk off somewhere else with this bks. You've not been in here the last couple off weeks with this st while we've been winning so why now after a draw. Get a life.

[anniesdad]

selym said:

Obviously Pogba wants to go, you don't make an impassioned plea in the newspaper unless you are angling for a move.

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean to say it will do.

HTH.

FWIW I thought Pogba was average on Saturday, a mate thought he was MOTM! Losing the ball the way he did for their goal was unforgiveable for me. He started off very sloppy and every pass/dribble didn't come off in the first 10 mins.

[NRS]

uk66fastback said:

Because Maureen doesn't 'just let players go' - and be footballers like they want to be. Hence Pogba's impassioned plea for the players to be let more off the leash in the papers this morning - which is a veiled criiticism of Maureen and his pragmatic tactics.

I know you want them to 'go on a run' - it's '2 steps forward, 1 back' etc - but you're in no different a position to that which others club's fans (apart from your own) have found themselves usually since the inception of the Premier League (and barring the last half decade) ... it ain't pleasurable I'm sure ... but because you keep saying it, doesn't mean it is going to happen!

I think that is a big issue. You have a lot of players who are creative, work well with movement etc, but the squad seems to be set up in a different style, so they can't really shine. You saw it with Pogba in the WC - looked great there, yet back at United it is the same issues as always.

Also in general since Fergie left it's not been 2 steps forward, 1 back. It's been 2 back, 1 forward. You're ending up in the position Liverpool has been for many years. Settled in the top 6 (used to be 4) and get a trophy run or two, but don't look good enough for the League.

[anniesdad]

NRS said:

I think that is a big issue. You have a lot of players who are creative, work well with movement etc, but the squad seems to be set up in a different style, so they can't really shine. You saw it with Pogba in the WC - looked great there, yet back at United it is the same issues as always.

Also in general since Fergie left it's not been 2 steps forward, 1 back. It's been 2 back, 1 forward. You're ending up in the position Liverpool has been for many years. Settled in the top 6 (used to be 4) and get a trophy run or two, but don't look good enough for the League.

Out of interest I've just looked at Pogba's stats (I know, I know) for the WC. 6 games, 1 goal, 0 assists. 9 key passes. I'd say those are average stats at best. The feeling I got was that he wasn't much different for France as opposed to United. Maybe he was allowed a little more freedom but the stats don't suggest he did too much with that freedom? Winning the world cup I think made most see him in a different light...maybe?

[Alpinestars]

anniesdad said:

Out of interest I've just looked at Pogba's stats (I know, I know) for the WC. 6 games, 1 goal, 0 assists. 9 key passes. I'd say those are average stats at best. The feeling I got was that he wasn't much different for France as opposed to United. Maybe he was allowed a little more freedom but the stats don't suggest he did too much with that freedom? Winning the world cup I think made most see him in a different light...maybe?

Pogba can be real quality at times. And he can be thoroughly naive and lazy at others. He’s a bit of a luxury. Compare him to say de Bruyne, where you get quality and 100% every time. With Pog, I feel the rest of the team have to make up for his lack of effort, with the hope he’ll do something magical. Great when things are going his way, but when they aren’t, he can’t lead himself or the team.

[franki68]

anniesdad said:

NRS said:

I think that is a big issue. You have a lot of players who are creative, work well with movement etc, but the squad seems to be set up in a different style, so they can't really shine. You saw it with Pogba in the WC - looked great there, yet back at United it is the same issues as always.

Also in general since Fergie left it's not been 2 steps forward, 1 back. It's been 2 back, 1 forward. You're ending up in the position Liverpool has been for many years. Settled in the top 6 (used to be 4) and get a trophy run or two, but don't look good enough for the League.

Out of interest I've just looked at Pogba's stats (I know, I know) for the WC. 6 games, 1 goal, 0 assists. 9 key passes. I'd say those are average stats at best. The feeling I got was that he wasn't much different for France as opposed to United. Maybe he was allowed a little more freedom but the stats don't suggest he did too much with that freedom? Winning the world cup I think made most see him in a different light...maybe?

Based on stats PAul Scholes was pretty st .France were very defensive and pogba was the link between the attack and defence and crucial to their success.

[Ascayman]

anniesdad said:

Out of interest I've just looked at Pogba's stats (I know, I know) for the WC. 6 games, 1 goal, 0 assists. 9 key passes. I'd say those are average stats at best. The feeling I got was that he wasn't much different for France as opposed to United. Maybe he was allowed a little more freedom but the stats don't suggest he did too much with that freedom? Winning the world cup I think made most see him in a different light...maybe?

I think that's accurate. Pogba was excellent in the final but other than that he didn't really do much, Kante was thier best midfielder.

[selym]

anniesdad said:

selym said:

Obviously Pogba wants to go, you don't make an impassioned plea in the newspaper unless you are angling for a move.

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean to say it will do.

HTH.

FWIW I thought Pogba was average on Saturday, a mate thought he was MOTM! Losing the ball the way he did for their goal was unforgiveable for me. He started off very sloppy and every pass/dribble didn't come off in the first 10 mins.

Why is he going to the papers, and if it's his agent then why is he so fking naïve?

I don't give a damn if he goes or stays, his performances are not winning him any plaudits or putting your team in any position to qualify for anything meaningful.
HTH.

[Cie]

selym said:

Why is he going to the papers, and if it's his agent then why is he so fking naïve?

I don't give a damn if he goes or stays, his performances are not winning him any plaudits or putting your team in any position to qualify for anything meaningful.
HTH.

Your posting history suggests you care quite a lot actually.

[selym]

Cie said:

selym said:

Why is he going to the papers, and if it's his agent then why is he so fking naïve?

I don't give a damn if he goes or stays, his performances are not winning him any plaudits or putting your team in any position to qualify for anything meaningful.
HTH.

Your posting history suggests you care quite a lot actually.

Show me where I want Pogba to go.

[Cie]

selym said:

Cie said:

selym said:

Why is he going to the papers, and if it's his agent then why is he so fking naïve?

I don't give a damn if he goes or stays, his performances are not winning him any plaudits or putting your team in any position to qualify for anything meaningful.
HTH.

Your posting history suggests you care quite a lot actually.

Show me where I want Pogba to go.

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Fact is you only come on to st stir on the United thread for some bizarre reason, and you know posting about Pogba wanting a move is gonna probably get a reaction. You're quite discreet about it, just look at your other post counts on other threads though. You're a weirdo.

[Black can man]

[selym]

Cie said:

The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 44 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 65 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 5 of 8441) (what happened there?)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 7 of 8441) (still slacking)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 36 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 40 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 29 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 31 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 24 of 8441)
The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7] ( 18 of 8441) & The Official Manchester United Thread [Vol 6] ( 25 of 10009) same month

Fact is you only come on to st stir on the United thread for some bizarre reason, and you know posting about Pogba wanting a move is gonna probably get a reaction. You're quite discreet about it, just look at your other post counts on other threads though. You're a weirdo.

What are you showing me there - where I mentioned Pogba? You need to dry your gusset, you're obviously overemotional.

[Cie]

selym said:

What are you showing me there - where I mentioned Pogba? You need to dry your gusset, you're obviously overemotional.

k

[selym]

Cie said:

selym said:

What are you showing me there - where I mentioned Pogba? You need to dry your gusset, you're obviously overemotional.

k

You are happy enough going elsewhere on the football forums spreading your joy.....and now when you are facing another lacklustre season you get a bit sniffy about others coming on your thread. Pretty wet really......

Back to the Pogba thing, wantaway, naïve or something else? That's for everyone else because you are already running out of Kleenex.