The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[57Ford]

RichB said:

57Ford said:

Poor really, playing a WH side struggling for league form

in fairness we (West Ham) have played significantly better these last couple of weeks Everton, Chelsea and now your team so don't beat yourself up thinking it should have been a walkover.

Never said that did I? Just a bit crap that we created so little. Well done West Ham but really I thought we were lacking in attack. And defence. And tactical nous. I’m discussing United on the United thread.

[57Ford]

pincher said:

Don’t want to come on here and compound your misery but I was genuinely concerned that we (WH) would be going into October without a point. We’ve beaten Everton fairly convincingly, drawn against a ver good Chelsea side and now beaten you, Plus a good morale-boosting 8-0 win on midweek. Yes, we had a very poor start to the season but things are starting to get better for us, game by game.

On the flip side, I thought you were as poor as I’ve ever seen you. I’m happy today but that actually makes me sad overall as you deserve better - Lukaku was hopeless anywhere near goal today and I couldn’t fathom your substitutions. It’s obvious that there is disharmony and unrest - I just hope you manage to sort it sooner rather than later.

It comes to something when you are Olé’d by West Ham!

I agree with all of it but fear we could be waiting a while for it to be sorted. Every game I’m wishing for Jose to do a Keegan style walkout.

[RichB]

57Ford said:

Never said that did I? Just a bit crap that we created so little. Well done West Ham but really I thought we were lacking in attack. And defence. And tactical nous. I’m discussing United on the United thread.

Oh sorry, I was just correcting your assertion that WHU are struggling for form

[Gone a bit AMG]

bstb3 said:

I just want someone to ask him. Really, I dont get why he would do that. Unless Lindelof was injured, why would you do that, its so stupid.

It's not worked.

He's never bought into Manchester, let alone made us United. I hope that will hasten the now inevitable messy end of Jose. For all LVGs faults I loved the way he embraced Manchester. He bought a house immediately. The players as a whole aren't stupid. You don't have a home here you aren't long term. That even cost Fergie during the season he changed his mind.

Players all have longer contracts and are more valuable assets. He's failed to work round that shift in power at a club like United. And he didn't at Madrid.

Porto underdogs, sensational champions league win.

His First Chelsea team were underdogs they'd been a joke for years, yes he had cash but Chelsea had one fk all ever pretty much. They were incredible and played fking great football. He made Fergie adapt after comprehensively beating him during some of his best years. He was brilliant but he was the underdog. As at Porto. His players would run through walls for him. He was incredibly charismatic and back as a United fan he terrified me.

Onto Inter again an underdog again a winner. Left his players in tears after winning the lot. Including the champions league again.

Then Madrid. An institution. The most successful team in the history of European football. Did he deliver the champions league? Did his ego start to right cheques he could cash? Did he fall out with the best players in the teams?

Back to Chelsea same story. By then they weren't an institution but they did have players with more money, influence and if not correctly managed power than Jose. His ego imploded after failing to deliver what Di Matteo did, ironically by being the underdog and galvanising his players.

Madrid, and more importantly to me Manchester United are not underdogs. We haven't been since 1958 and Sir Matt took us to the hearts of the world. He then delivered the European Cup in 1968 after Munich. He wasn't alone in pioneering English teams in Europe but he was the only one that ended up nearly losing his life and half his team and took them back to very top. That is why United became the enormous football institution that we are.

Jose's massive ego made him successful when he was managing a team with something to prove. That's not Manchester United, it's not Madrid. That massive ego doesn't work at an institution. The very best players in the world only respect him if he's winning and even then not for long.

In short. Sack him immediately. It pains me to say it because I hoped it'd be the marriage made in heaven it wasn't. The fact that he's loathed by the likes of Ronaldo, Ramos, Casiilas even fking bale has now cost to much.

He's given us some silver ware whilst we've got the back office back in order after being caught sleeping by City now it's time to bring in someone with nothing to prove as a player or a manager to immediately gain the respect of the players.

His special one entrance is one of the reasons the premier league is the finest in the world. There will never be another manager at the top of the game that hasn't played it.

"He is unique, he's been incredibly successful but he's not for Manchester United." Said Sir Bobby Charlton, frequently, during the end of Fergie's reign. He wasn't talking about Moyes.

I'm now going to drink a lot more Becks and fall asleep watching the golf.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

It's very weird seeing this current Man U situation as a neutral (sort of).

I remember a time when you'd glance at a scoreline featuring United and they were usually the ones with the most goals.

These days it's literally a coin toss over the result and it doesn't even seem to be dependent on who the opposition is.

Strange times.

That's how I feel. I just don't think of them playing and being more likely to get a win (I know they statistically are).

It feels like they're becoming 'a Liverpool' insofar as their dominance declining when the Premiership started after being so strong in the '70s and '80s.

[Alpinestars]

gadgetmac said:

It’s 50/50 for me.

Do we sack the manager or clear out a lot of underperforming dross?

I really don’t know the answer.

Both. I’d honestly go as far as saying Woodward should go back to his old job and bring in someone who knows something about football/agents etc. Needs a radical overhaul.

[bstb3]

Alpinestars said:

Both. I’d honestly go as far as saying Woodward should go back to his old job and bring in someone who knows something about football/agents etc. Needs a radical overhaul.

The sad bit being it's been obvious for a while, but we are suffering because the owners are only valuing the one thing he is good at- and by the time that suffers it will be far too late.

Gone a bit AMG said:

It's not worked.
...
I'm now going to drink a lot more Becks and fall asleep watching the golf.

Is probably the best way to cope with it right now to be fair.

[Challo]

You can tell the players are not playing for him, and he seems to be trying to undermine every player with snide comments, or dropping them from the squad.

The first two seasons where a relative success after the shambles of LvG, but now I just look at the team selection and watch us play and think I no one knows what the hell is going on.

No tatics, no game plan, team selection is bizarre. I do think he has lost the dressing room, and it won’t be long before the players revolt.

[anniesdad]

Black can man said:

Not sure results really matter to the board at Unitrd just as long as the shirts & stuff get sold worldwide.

You are joking right?

As for the game, you cannot defend the indefensible. Shameful from both players and coaching team.

I kid you not I would have played better than some of those players. I'm 48.

Young over Dalot. Got to be kidding. Terrible.

[epom]

How many million reasons has Jose to get sacked again?

[Frimley111R]

I think at this point bad results will help get this resolved. He will either MTFU or get booted out. A few wins and losses will only keep him in place for longer. The board must be saying to him 'Can you fix it and if you can when will it be fixed?'

[jammy-git]

Surely the transformation at Chelsea by Sarri only highlights what a st job Jose has done in 2.5 years?

[RobDickinson]

He just needs a 4th season and solid backing.

[dsmith1990]

jammy-git said:

Surely the transformation at Chelsea by Sarri only highlights what a st job Jose has done in 2.5 years?

Tbf Conte won the league playing decent football in the first of those! I'm not surprised by what is currently happening at Utd. As a Chelsea fan, all I can say is been there done that.

[Warby80]

Frimley111R said:

I think at this point bad results will help get this resolved. He will either MTFU or get booted out. A few wins and losses will only keep him in place for longer. The board must be saying to him 'Can you fix it and if you can when will it be fixed?'

This sums it up for me.

The players need to have a good look at themselves in the mirror aswell, if they cant rise above anything that is going on behind the scenes and atleast try to play some football then they should go aswell.

[anonymous-user]

Warby80 said:

Frimley111R said:

I think at this point bad results will help get this resolved. He will either MTFU or get booted out. A few wins and losses will only keep him in place for longer. The board must be saying to him 'Can you fix it and if you can when will it be fixed?'

This sums it up for me.

The players need to have a good look at themselves in the mirror aswell, if they cant rise above anything that is going on behind the scenes and atleast try to play some football then they should go aswell.

Two things I think that haven't helped you, a general over inflated view of how Pogba performed at the World Cup, not saying he played bad but he was in a good French team at what was a very poor World Cup, he's ego and attitude(him and his agent) have gone through the roof causing unrest in the team. Also I think Sanchez has been a white elephant and Man City played a blinder when you were both chasing him from Arsenal, the lower earners must lose some morale when they see Sanchez performances and the money he's on.

[ORD]

Mou wants out and all the players want him gone. It’s all about waiting to be fired so he gets more compensation. fking the club.

[franki68]

There is obviously a huge issue,but sacking Mourinho is not that simple,the club would effectively be giving power to the players ,Making it difficult for any incoming manager.
nor am I sure the club will achieve anything with this concept that it is ok to finish top 4.
The club is toxic the whole way through from top to bottom,you can bring in whoever you want but as long as the aim is commercial success ,do not expect to see much on field success.
There is a combination of factors ,players who are not good enough,the board not properly backing the manager and a manager who seems to have the man management skills of a brick.
it is utterly soul destroying watching us at the moment ,and the club is becoming a laughing stock.

[Cie]

franki68 said:

There is obviously a huge issue,but sacking Mourinho is not that simple,the club would effectively be giving power to the players ,Making it difficult for any incoming manager.
nor am I sure the club will achieve anything with this concept that it is ok to finish top 4.
The club is toxic the whole way through from top to bottom,you can bring in whoever you want but as long as the aim is commercial success ,do not expect to see much on field success.
There is a combination of factors ,players who are not good enough,the board not properly backing the manager and a manager who seems to have the man management skills of a brick.
it is utterly soul destroying watching us at the moment ,and the club is becoming a laughing stock.

My thoughts exactly. The club is a complete mess at the moment and it's not an easy fix either.

[Alpinestars]

franki68 said:

There is obviously a huge issue,but sacking Mourinho is not that simple,the club would effectively be giving power to the players ,Making it difficult for any incoming manager.
nor am I sure the club will achieve anything with this concept that it is ok to finish top 4.
The club is toxic the whole way through from top to bottom,you can bring in whoever you want but as long as the aim is commercial success ,do not expect to see much on field success.
There is a combination of factors ,players who are not good enough,the board not properly backing the manager and a manager who seems to have the man management skills of a brick.
it is utterly soul destroying watching us at the moment ,and the club is becoming a laughing stock.

Get rid of Maureen, Pogba and Kenyon (as CEO). No one is bigger than the club.