The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]
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uk66fastback said:
anniesdad said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premi...
Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
He's thinking that? Or you are? Just cos it was his turn to front up?Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
It was the ref's fault. Maureen said so. You still on his side?
The first goal was probably offside. All Managers, not just Mourinho would probably have said the same as he did.
I think Mourinho is struggling to get a tune out of this side for whatever reason. I can't say why that might be, but I'm willing to back him until he's told to leave. I do think that the players shoulder a large responsibility to perform on the pitch and I agree fully with what Shaw said in the interview.
anniesdad said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premi...
Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
Well at least he was contrite. Not smiling and giggling "Do you want me dead" as he swaggered through the journos...like a certain other disgrace. Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
Unfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's f
king mistaken. I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
I've heard Zidane in 10 days but admittedly that was from a steward!
Not sure that'd be the answer but something needs to change sharpish. Leaving a kid on the park in a central defensive partnership ahead of experienced centre halves to prove a point is also not putting the club first. That those centre halves were of Jose's choosing just show's how far Jose has fallen.
Sadly I expect months of misery before it becomes so toxic Jose is fired.
anniesdad said:
uk66fastback said:
anniesdad said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premi...
Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
He's thinking that? Or you are? Just cos it was his turn to front up?Luke Shaw. Starting to think he should be the captain.
It was the ref's fault. Maureen said so. You still on his side?
The first goal was probably offside. All Managers, not just Mourinho would probably have said the same as he did.
I think Mourinho is struggling to get a tune out of this side for whatever reason. I can't say why that might be, but I'm willing to back him until he's told to leave. I do think that the players shoulder a large responsibility to perform on the pitch and I agree fully with what Shaw said in the interview.
And our current Captain should really be out there, rallying the fans. That's not Antonio though is it. The type of figure I'd like to see leading us is across the road consistently being impossible to dislike. Damn it.
Edited by Gone a bit AMG on Monday 1st October 11:26
Gone a bit AMG said:
Well at least he was contrite. Not smiling and giggling "Do you want me dead" as he swaggered through the journos...like a certain other disgrace.
Unfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's fking mistaken.
I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
I've heard Zidane in 10 days but admittedly that was from a steward!
Not sure that'd be the answer but something needs to change sharpish. Leaving a kid on the park in a central defensive partnership ahead of experienced centre halves to prove a point is also not putting the club first. That those centre halves were of Jose's choosing just show's how far Jose has fallen.
Sadly I expect months of misery before it becomes so toxic Jose is fired.
A few good results can turn this around and take the heat out of the situation. We had 3 on the bounce and nothing was being said. Then Wolves happened, Derby and now West Ham. Pogba spouted some sUnfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's f
king mistaken. I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
I've heard Zidane in 10 days but admittedly that was from a steward!
Not sure that'd be the answer but something needs to change sharpish. Leaving a kid on the park in a central defensive partnership ahead of experienced centre halves to prove a point is also not putting the club first. That those centre halves were of Jose's choosing just show's how far Jose has fallen.
Sadly I expect months of misery before it becomes so toxic Jose is fired.
te, there was a training ground incident unhappily captured by the cameras and the world has now imploded in on itself. ste week, completely ste week. ste start to the prem, worse start in 29 years apparently. We haven't scored 5 goals for ages, the last time we did being SAF's last game, when we also conceded 5 (Lukaku got a hat-trick - how ste must our CB's have been then!). Since then City have scored 5 or more 22 times. But it stops now.
Let's put a good performance in against Valencia (I'll be there doing my bit, cheering them ALL on) and start to get out of this rutt.
anniesdad said:
Gone a bit AMG said:
Well at least he was contrite. Not smiling and giggling "Do you want me dead" as he swaggered through the journos...like a certain other disgrace.
Unfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's fking mistaken.
I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
I've heard Zidane in 10 days but admittedly that was from a steward!
Not sure that'd be the answer but something needs to change sharpish. Leaving a kid on the park in a central defensive partnership ahead of experienced centre halves to prove a point is also not putting the club first. That those centre halves were of Jose's choosing just show's how far Jose has fallen.
Sadly I expect months of misery before it becomes so toxic Jose is fired.
A few good results can turn this around and take the heat out of the situation. We had 3 on the bounce and nothing was being said. Then Wolves happened, Derby and now West Ham. Pogba spouted some sUnfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's f
king mistaken. I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
I've heard Zidane in 10 days but admittedly that was from a steward!
Not sure that'd be the answer but something needs to change sharpish. Leaving a kid on the park in a central defensive partnership ahead of experienced centre halves to prove a point is also not putting the club first. That those centre halves were of Jose's choosing just show's how far Jose has fallen.
Sadly I expect months of misery before it becomes so toxic Jose is fired.
te, there was a training ground incident unhappily captured by the cameras and the world has now imploded in on itself. ste week, completely ste week. ste start to the prem, worse start in 29 years apparently. We haven't scored 5 goals for ages, the last time we did being SAF's last game, when we also conceded 5 (Lukaku got a hat-trick - how ste must our CB's have been then!). Since then City have scored 5 or more 22 times. But it stops now.
Let's put a good performance in against Valencia (I'll be there doing my bit, cheering them ALL on) and start to get out of this rutt.
ds I love sitting surrounded by with my relentless positivity. But and it's a cheeky but, Zidane and Scholes as number 2 for the rest of season. Stop chucking in bombs from the comfort of a tv studio and get stuck in...
Kevin Keegan just been interviewed (Pushing his new book) on BBC Manchester.
He said he is a big fan of Jose's but something has gone seriously wrong this last three years. It seems to me all this started to go pear shaped when he had that row with the lady doctor at Chelsea, from what I remember she wanted to pull an injured player off the pitch but he overruled her.
Keegan also said United fans have been so used to constant success under Sir Alex, they are not used to having an average team like 90% of other fans have to put up with, but they will come good again.
If Jose does get fired he will come away with a multi £££ pound settlement and get fixed up with another top job somewhere within a few weeks.
I still say United should not panic and stick with him, at least until the new year.
He said he is a big fan of Jose's but something has gone seriously wrong this last three years. It seems to me all this started to go pear shaped when he had that row with the lady doctor at Chelsea, from what I remember she wanted to pull an injured player off the pitch but he overruled her.
Keegan also said United fans have been so used to constant success under Sir Alex, they are not used to having an average team like 90% of other fans have to put up with, but they will come good again.
If Jose does get fired he will come away with a multi £££ pound settlement and get fixed up with another top job somewhere within a few weeks.
I still say United should not panic and stick with him, at least until the new year.
It's down to character though a lot of it. Ferguson was a good judge of it and got the balance right. Consistently. There was a reason he wasn't that keen on keeping Pogba the first time round. The mix of 'characters' isn't working at all, seemingly.
"Because you are a character, doesn't mean that you have character."
Winston Wolf
If he had a shread of humility left and any sense of putting your club first, Maureen would surely resign. But we know NO manager does that nowadays.
"Because you are a character, doesn't mean that you have character."
Winston Wolf
If he had a shread of humility left and any sense of putting your club first, Maureen would surely resign. But we know NO manager does that nowadays.
Gone a bit AMG said:
I'll be there right opposite you in the NE quadrant. Old K stand behind everyone and defying the grumpy bds I love sitting surrounded by with my relentless positivity.
But and it's a cheeky but, Zidane and Scholes as number 2 for the rest of season. Stop chucking in bombs from the comfort of a tv studio and get stuck in...
ds I love sitting surrounded by with my relentless positivity. But and it's a cheeky but, Zidane and Scholes as number 2 for the rest of season. Stop chucking in bombs from the comfort of a tv studio and get stuck in...
I guess Zidane and Scholes would look like a dream team. I'd be interested if only to see how the players react. Would they cover more ground, make more sprints, take more risks?
Apparently, I heard this morning, we are the slowest attacking team in the Prem. Seeing Fellaini, Matic, Pogba play I'm not suprised by that at all.
Give Jose his dues he mixed it up played 2 up top, 3 at the back. So he's trying to change things around but it isn't working at the minute, to turn it around he needs the players on the same page. As far as I know his planning is still as meticulous as ever.
We go again tomorrow.
uk66fastback said:
It's down to character though a lot of it. Ferguson was a good judge of it and got the balance right. Consistently. There was a reason he wasn't that keen on keeping Pogba the first time round. The mix of 'characters' isn't working at all, seemingly.
"Because you are a character, doesn't mean that you have character."
Winston Wolf
If he had a shread of humility left and any sense of putting your club first, Maureen would surely resign. But we know NO manager does that nowadays.
Good post. That's where my head is at. Fergie used to say when we were playing so called lesser teams.....match them for endeavour and effort then you will win because you are better footballers. "Because you are a character, doesn't mean that you have character."
Winston Wolf
If he had a shread of humility left and any sense of putting your club first, Maureen would surely resign. But we know NO manager does that nowadays.
What I and I think most United fans feel so aggreaved about is the perceived lack of effort. We don't as most assume expect to win but we expect everything to be left on the pitch on match day. It isn't right now. That's unforgivable.
Gone a bit AMG said:
Good post. That's where my head is at. Fergie used to say when we were playing so called lesser teams.....match them for endeavour and effort then you will win because you are better footballers.
What I and I think most United fans feel so aggreaved about is the perceived lack of effort. We don't as most assume expect to win but we expect everything to be left on the pitch on match day. It isn't right now. That's unforgivable.
Totally agree. It is only the players that can provide that effort. What I and I think most United fans feel so aggreaved about is the perceived lack of effort. We don't as most assume expect to win but we expect everything to be left on the pitch on match day. It isn't right now. That's unforgivable.
If somebody tells me that they are all unfit and simply cannot do what City/Liverpool do then he will refuse to believe them.
anniesdad said:
I guess Zidane and Scholes would look like a dream team. I'd be interested if only to see how the players react. Would they cover more ground, make more sprints, take more risks?
Apparently, I heard this morning, we are the slowest attacking team in the Prem. Seeing Fellaini, Matic, Pogba play I'm not suprised by that at all.
Give Jose his dues he mixed it up played 2 up top, 3 at the back. So he's trying to change things around but it isn't working at the minute, to turn it around he needs the players on the same page. As far as I know his planning is still as meticulous as ever.
We go again tomorrow.
150+ for City and Liverpool.
It's this lack of effort that's angering me. Movement Gavia has been singing it for months. It's inexcusable.
Gone a bit AMG said:
59 sprints across the team against West Ham. 4 from Lukaku. 7 from west hams sub in the last 10 mins. 85% possession for West Ham in the first 10 minutes
150+ for City and Liverpool.
It's this lack of effort that's angering me. Movement Gavia has been singing it for months. It's inexcusable.
We both posted City/Liverpool at the same time. Weird. 150+ for City and Liverpool.
It's this lack of effort that's angering me. Movement Gavia has been singing it for months. It's inexcusable.
I played my 9 year old at Fifa 19 last night, it's freakishly accurate. He played as Liverpool, I as United. He tatered me and I did what I believe is called "rage quitting". Not because it was son that I was playing against but it was Liverpool. I hated it.
You hold down a trigger and press a button at the same time then your player sprints.
We had a re-match, Champions League final. He was Juve, I was Athletico Madrid it was noticeable how much quicker the AM players were than United's!
He still tatered me, mainly because I'm s
te at it and he can do all sorts of turns and tricks the little fecker...m3sye said:
Zidane does not play the style of football you are all craving. Does he have the big name UTD want yes but is it really what you all want? I dont think so.
It's not the big name I want but the egos are out of control. I'd only want Zidane if one of the class of 92 or a former united player with Gravitas as number 2. The 2 Jose promoted would would be working if Jose'd stop fighting everyone.
Gone a bit AMG said:
59 sprints across the team against West Ham. 4 from Lukaku. 7 from west hams sub in the last 10 mins. 85% possession for West Ham in the first 10 minutes
150+ for City and Liverpool.
It's this lack of effort that's angering me. Movement Gavia has been singing it for months. It's inexcusable.
That's coaching. The players are not innately lazy or unfit. They are clay - make of them what you will. Mou has made them essentially static. Fearful and static.150+ for City and Liverpool.
It's this lack of effort that's angering me. Movement Gavia has been singing it for months. It's inexcusable.
Add in that they now want him gone, so are not playing for him, and you have a perfect storm of stillness (if that makes sense...).
Utd have been utterly awful all season.
Bringing in Zidance for me would be a commercial thing, no real plan of what you want as a club, just another big name to try solves the problems - he plays anything but the style of football you all crave again - Soon as it starts to go wrong with him and the style of play is not what the fans want you will be back to square 1 again.
The problem you have is all the managers who would play how you all want are in a project or just moved.
The problem you have is all the managers who would play how you all want are in a project or just moved.
anniesdad said:
It is noticeable. Somebody, I think it was Gavia, raised the point that whilst Tottenham were losing recently nobody from on here trolled the Spurs thread. But we do get them and Liverpool fans coming in here. Yes, I had a little dig at them on here questioning whether Pochettino was going to get villified by the press as his team had lost 3 on the bounce. Of course that didn't happen as we all love Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino.
Have you seen what some of the crap we've had to put up with from the Utd and Liverpool fans on the spurs thread? you chaps get of lightly 
To be honest a lot of what has been said has by opposition fans is what you guys are actually saying now about the brand of football / Jose / Pogba so i think that proves it wasn't really trolling in the first place just impartial opinion.
Gone a bit AMG said:
Well at least he was contrite. Not smiling and giggling "Do you want me dead" as he swaggered through the journos...like a certain other disgrace.
Unfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's fking mistaken.
I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
This is probably the most honest appraisal of Pogba ive seen from a utd fan yet, genuine question as i dont know the answer but when you got rid of him the first time was Fergie still the boss? where there indications of this attitude problem then? Unfortunately, there isn't a captain in the side. It certainly is not some one, who despite being given the olive branch of the armband has slapped his manager in the face with it when deputising for one of the most anonymous in our history. I thought it'd be making of Pogba.
Like most united fans I'm all for the manager being the most important person in the club. I'm just now doubt Jose is able to recover. It'll be very interesting tomorrow night. If Pogba thinks he's going to get the full backing of Old Trafford fans he's f
king mistaken. I doubt it's anywhere near as band as is made out in the press but it's still a disgrace.
Ascayman said:
This is probably the most honest appraisal of Pogba ive seen from a utd fan yet, genuine question as i dont know the answer but when you got rid of him the first time was Fergie still the boss? where there indications of this attitude problem then?
https://talksport.com/football/426743/alex-ferguson-pogba-mino-raiola-manchester-united-juventus-transfer/Ascayman said:
This is probably the most honest appraisal of Pogba ive seen from a utd fan yet, genuine question as i dont know the answer but when you got rid of him the first time was Fergie still the boss? where there indications of this attitude problem then?
It's probably hard to say how much is (or was back then) agent and how much is player, but I don't think there were such problems at Juventus as things were going his way. Don't forget to there is a lot of money for Raiola in moving his star.I suspect Pogba is one of the modern ilk of players who need to be told how wonderful they are rather than being capable of being criticized. Certainly his actions of late would suggest that he has a hard time coping with it - but that's who he (and many other now) is, so management has to change to cope with it. JM seems not to have done, and the result is what we have now. SAF was master of the club and could genuinely have a player out if he wanted it, regardless of the commercials. Jose doesn't have that power, the players and agents know it so he has to either bend to them or the club needs to fully back him. Clearly neither is happening so we have this mess.
To make it worse JM approach to dealing with the mess is to set it on fire and watch it burn..
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