The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[anniesdad]

m3sye said:

Ascayman said:

This is probably the most honest appraisal of Pogba ive seen from a utd fan yet, genuine question as i dont know the answer but when you got rid of him the first time was Fergie still the boss? where there indications of this attitude problem then?

https://talksport.com/football/426743/alex-ferguson-pogba-mino-raiola-manchester-united-juventus-transfer/

Pogba was offered a contract to stay at United but chose to move to Juve as they said they would guarantee him first team football. So I'm not sure we got rid. The player was rated by the club but chose to move as he thought that was best for himself.

[anniesdad]

One of the things that irks me as a United fan is seeing how the club I believe insist on social media accounts for their staff.

Matic and Mourinho are cases in point.

You reap what you sow.

[jammy-git]

anniesdad said:

Yes, I had a little dig at them on here questioning whether Pochettino was going to get villified by the press as his team had lost 3 on the bounce. Of course that didn't happen as we all love Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino.

I mean that's hardly surprising.

Pep, whilst he's spent a bunch, he's got City playing some pretty impressive football and winning trophies too. No real reason to hate Pep other than the vast amounts of money spent, which unfortunately is just modern football.

Klopp, has spent a decent amount (only just this summer though) and has had his Liverpool side progressing since day 1. It's clear he's improved players along the way too, not just gone out and bought the best player in every position. No real reason to hate him either (though he needs to be winning something soon if he's going to stop the press getting on his back about it).

Poch has done a stellar job with Spurs. Spent very little and still has them in the top four every year. Though Spurs quite rightly get called out by the press every time they almost, but not quite, win a trophy.

Jose has moaned and bhed about everything. His players, the fans, the board, the press. He's spent a huge amount of money and the club has seen very little in return. He's defended his way to a couple of second rate trophies but it's clear the squad isn't progressing - in fact regressing in his difficult third season. I can't see any reason to like him.

[Gary29]

franki68 said:

Until the whole ethos of the club from the owners and boardroom down changes it will make no difference who the manager is.
Only when the football becomes more important than the commercial side will the club recover.

Finally someone admits it!

[jammy-git]

franki68 said:

Until the whole ethos of the club from the owners and boardroom down changes it will make no difference who the manager is.
Only when the football becomes more important than the commercial side will the club recover.

I don't think the football needs to become more important than the commercial side (unfortunately), but you do need to appoint either a DoF or someone to run the football side that knows what they're doing and can lead the search for your next manager with an ethos in mind.

[Adam B]

jammy-git said:

Jose has moaned and bhed about everything. His players, the fans, the board, the press. He's spent a huge amount of money and the club has seen very little in return. He's defended his way to a couple of second rate trophies but it's clear the squad isn't progressing - in fact regressing in his difficult third season. I can't see any reason to like him.

Quite apart from the fact he is a complete arrogant arse with the press, so they are hardly likely to be sympathetic!! I know they can be annoying and painful at times but he is paid £15M a year to handle this inconveniences with some level of calm, style and media-savvy.

You know they will ask the awkward questions and goad for a headline, so just diffuse it with some well-rehearsed and polite equivalent of "no comment, we handle these issues privately inside the club" rather storm out in a sulk like a massive bell-end. That just adds fuel to the flames.

Edited by Adam B on Monday 1st October 14:20

[m3sye]

When Klopp turned UTD down he said one of the reasons is it was something like disney land how it was being sold to him (off memory)

[franki68]

jammy-git said:

franki68 said:

Until the whole ethos of the club from the owners and boardroom down changes it will make no difference who the manager is.
Only when the football becomes more important than the commercial side will the club recover.

I don't think the football needs to become more important than the commercial side (unfortunately), but you do need to appoint either a DoF or someone to run the football side that knows what they're doing and can lead the search for your next manager with an ethos in mind.

I think it does,the owners are exclusively interested in how much money the club can make them,this filtered down .
Players are bought for commercial not football reasons ,managers are recruited but then not given the tools required (Jose has not been able to buy who he wants and from I gather quite a few of the signings made under him were not his choice ,or at best were his 4th or 5th choices in that position.
Blaming the manager is all well and good but the football quality has been poor really for 8-9 years ,we got away with it due to Ferguson and a core of world class players .Years of underinvestment Resulted in united falling behind city and the pathetic recruitment policy since has been a panic situation playing catch up.
We have the second highest wage bill in football and a bunch of mercenaries strolling around the pitch .

[anniesdad]

franki68 said:

I think it does,the owners are exclusively interested in how much money the club can make them,this filtered down .
Players are bought for commercial not football reasons ,managers are recruited but then not given the tools required (Jose has not been able to buy who he wants and from I gather quite a few of the signings made under him were not his choice ,or at best were his 4th or 5th choices in that position.
Blaming the manager is all well and good but the football quality has been poor really for 8-9 years ,we got away with it due to Ferguson and a core of world class players .Years of underinvestment Resulted in united falling behind city and the pathetic recruitment policy since has been a panic situation playing catch up.
We have the second highest wage bill in football and a bunch of mercenaries strolling around the pitch .

Hard to argue with that assessment to be honest. SAF's team were getting older and it needed a rebuild. SAF didn't have the energy to be that man.

Just watched the presser and Mourinho alluded to some players he has caring and others not. Named no names but there are clearly issues that need resolving with one/some of these players.

Going to give my head a wobble and go to OT with a positive mindset tomorrow. To my fellow reds try to enjoy the game and get behind the boys.

[m3sye]

Thats another issue you will have Frankie - none of your players on huge wages will want to move, you could end up paying Sanchez 300/500k a week and him never playing, add that to the average players on 100-150k - why would they move for 60k a week
Markovic at our club is prime example, they will stay run down there contract till they can move on for free and get a big signing on bonus.

[bstb3]

anniesdad said:

Hard to argue with that assessment to be honest. SAF's team were getting older and it needed a rebuild. SAF didn't have the energy to be that man.

Just watched the presser and Mourinho alluded to some players he has caring and others not. Named no names but there are clearly issues that need resolving with one/some of these players.

Going to give my head a wobble and go to OT with a positive mindset tomorrow. To my fellow reds try to enjoy the game and get behind the boys.

Agree with the get behind them sentiment, there is no benefit from not supporting them during the games.

Quite why JM continues this divisive approach though? Clearly all he has done there with that statement is to cause further speculation and disquiet. Apparently Lingard, Young, Rojo and Herrera are injured (his words not in the right conditions) for the Valencia game, otherwise full squad so line up will be interesting.

[franki68]

m3sye said:

Thats another issue you will have Frankie - none of your players on huge wages will want to move, you could end up paying Sanchez 300/500k a week and him never playing, add that to the average players on 100-150k - why would they move for 60k a week
Markovic at our club is prime example, they will stay run down there contract till they can move on for free and get a big signing on bonus.

More than likely.
The clubs (any clubs for that matter) first policy should be only buy those who really want to play for the club ,if it comes down to salary then walk away .

[m3sye]

franki68 said:

More than likely.
The clubs (any clubs for that matter) first policy should be only buy those who really want to play for the club ,if it comes down to salary then walk away .

Yep, which is something our manager has always said when buying any player we have bought - if they dont want to play for Liverpool but its about money we are not interested.

[uk66fastback]

But it does come down to salary! Why did Sanchez come to you? Cos you were willing to pay him what he wanted ... if someone else had been wiling to pay him more, he'd have gone there. These guys have no inherent LOVE for the club!? WHy would you think they would have - they're form the other side of the world for a start!

[Black can man]

m3sye said:

When Klopp turned UTD down he said one of the reasons is it was something like disney land how it was being sold to him (off memory)

Klopp turned down Utd ? Really ?

[LoonyTunes]

Black can man said:

m3sye said:

When Klopp turned UTD down he said one of the reasons is it was something like disney land how it was being sold to him (off memory)

Klopp turned down Utd ? Really ?

According to Klopp.

[m3sye]

uk66fastback said:

But it does come down to salary! Why did Sanchez come to you? Cos you were willing to pay him what he wanted ... if someone else had been wiling to pay him more, he'd have gone there. These guys have no inherent LOVE for the club!? WHy would you think they would have - they're form the other side of the world for a start!

That is what he is saying, signed to many players who just want the money not the club

[franki68]

m3sye said:

uk66fastback said:

But it does come down to salary! Why did Sanchez come to you? Cos you were willing to pay him what he wanted ... if someone else had been wiling to pay him more, he'd have gone there. These guys have no inherent LOVE for the club!? WHy would you think they would have - they're form the other side of the world for a start!

That is what he is saying, signed to many players who just want the money not the club

Saying that it worked for city and Chelsea ,probably they bought better mercenaries .

[anniesdad]

bstb3 said:

Quite why JM continues this divisive approach though? Clearly all he has done there with that statement is to cause further speculation and disquiet. Apparently Lingard, Young, Rojo and Herrera are injured (his words not in the right conditions) for the Valencia game, otherwise full squad so line up will be interesting.

We all know he could name the players concerned and they’d get roundly castigated by the fans. The players need to change their attitude or fk off if they don’t like it.
I think he doesn’t know what characters he has with these players and he’s challenging them to sink or swim.

[bstb3]

anniesdad said:

I think he doesn’t know what characters he has with these players and he’s challenging them to sink or swim.

Yeah, maybe. He's been here 2.5 years though, you would think by now he would who he can call on to produce when the chips are down.

I wonder what the reaction would be if he just picked his trusted players completely for tomorrow (assuming he has 11). It wouldn't be the best team for sure, but I wonder if it would see an effort put in?