The Official Manchester United Thread [vol 7]

[NRS]

anniesdad said:

It is noticeable. Somebody, I think it was Gavia, raised the point that whilst Tottenham were losing recently nobody from on here trolled the Spurs thread. But we do get them and Liverpool fans coming in here. Yes, I had a little dig at them on here questioning whether Pochettino was going to get villified by the press as his team had lost 3 on the bounce. Of course that didn't happen as we all love Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino.

To be honest it's not unexpected and we are playing ste.

Spuds get loads of crap, so do we but so far this season it's not happened due to the results. Also the difference is the Spurs had a dip, but still have the setup in place that has got them being the most consistent top team in quite a few seasons. People were also making lots of comments about Poch being unhappy due to not getting money in the summer and it perhaps affecting him. You lot seem to be falling apart with it being down to the leadership, manager and players. That's quite different from a few bad games, and will take a lot longer to fix. Plus a lot of the WUM comments are ones opposition fans have posted for over a season now - saying the results were "lucky" compared to how your team was, and a lot was down to the start you had. I disagree that you can be lucky over a season, but it does seem that things are all over the place now.

[anniesdad]

m3sye said:

That is what he is saying, signed to many players who just want the money not the club

Today in the press conference? Or are you saying he's inferring that?

He's said today that there are some players that care more than others.

Over to you Antonio....earn your armband.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 1st October 17:04

[anniesdad]

bstb3 said:

anniesdad said:

I think he doesn’t know what characters he has with these players and he’s challenging them to sink or swim.

Yeah, maybe. He's been here 2.5 years though, you would think by now he would who he can call on to produce when the chips are down.

I wonder what the reaction would be if he just picked his trusted players completely for tomorrow (assuming he has 11). It wouldn't be the best team for sure, but I wonder if it would see an effort put in?

In the first two years he and the players had it relatively easy. Little/no pressure as no real expectations. Picked up the league cup and Europa league wins, happy days. Year two, finished 2nd, FA Cup final loss, acceptable season. Year 3, go all in in the transfer market and target win a big trophy...fail at first hurdle, don't get the players. Make it clear to the players we have what is expected and some st themselves? Lack of confidence and character (and ability) and we are where we are.

Maybe.

I'd like him to be bold and install Dalot as his number 1 RB but that would mean Valencia not playing.

I think he's trying to be all things to all men and trying to keep them all happy by giving them all game time and a chance if their opposition (in the squad) isn't playing too well. But this tinkering is hurting us and as each game goes by without a result it heaps more pressure.

He's not afraid of making the big calls. Sanchez can have no complaints and to be fair hasn't said st about his situation to my knowledge. He knows he has to perform it is the least we can expect from him.

[anniesdad]

uk66fastback said:

But it does come down to salary! Why did Sanchez come to you? Cos you were willing to pay him what he wanted ... if someone else had been wiling to pay him more, he'd have gone there. These guys have no inherent LOVE for the club!? WHy would you think they would have - they're form the other side of the world for a start!

He's always loved United.

In his first interview as an Old Trafford resident, the Chilean superstar said: “Since I was a young lad I’ve always said that my dream was to play for Manchester United.

“And I’m not just saying that because I’m here now.

“I always said as a kid that I’d like to play for United and I once spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson about it.

“We chatted for around 20 minutes. And I told him that my dream was to come here to Manchester United.”

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 1st October 16:36

[jammy-git]

franki68 said:

I think it does,the owners are exclusively interested in how much money the club can make them,this filtered down .
Players are bought for commercial not football reasons ,managers are recruited but then not given the tools required (Jose has not been able to buy who he wants and from I gather quite a few of the signings made under him were not his choice ,or at best were his 4th or 5th choices in that position.
Blaming the manager is all well and good but the football quality has been poor really for 8-9 years ,we got away with it due to Ferguson and a core of world class players .Years of underinvestment Resulted in united falling behind city and the pathetic recruitment policy since has been a panic situation playing catch up.
We have the second highest wage bill in football and a bunch of mercenaries strolling around the pitch .

Slightly different perspective to the one I was thinking of and I agree with what you've said.

My perspective was more of, if you had a DoF with an ethos set in stone, you wouldn't be buying players only for commercial reasons - not unless those players first suited that ethos.

And I don't get this, "the players weren't Jose's 1st choice, sometimes they were 4th or 5th choice" BS. If they're on a listed of players that Jose is happy with, then he can't complain even if they are 4th or 5th choice - if they can't do the job, don't put them on the list! He should take a leaf out of Klopp's book and if the type of player he wants isn't available then don't settle for someone who is a gamble and just wait until a player does become available.

[anniesdad]

https://youtu.be/UueoS2th7To?t=7m17s

Quite a funny moment in the presser today involving Neil Custis of The Sun.

[Wacky Racer]

franki68 said:

m3sye said:

uk66fastback said:

But it does come down to salary! Why did Sanchez come to you? Cos you were willing to pay him what he wanted ... if someone else had been wiling to pay him more, he'd have gone there. These guys have no inherent LOVE for the club!? WHy would you think they would have - they're form the other side of the world for a start!

That is what he is saying, signed to many players who just want the money not the club

Saying that it worked for city and Chelsea ,probably they bought better mercenaries .

I get fed up of this stupid word mercenaries getting bandied about in relation to footballers, they offer their services to a particular club, their employer, for x amount of time, in return for some money, it's a two way street, it's been proved over and over that most clubs are happy to fire off players at renewal time if it suits them.


Very few players would play for a club knowing that somebody else would pay them far more, unless they were their boyhood club, examples include Beckham at United, Mike Doyle at City and Shearer at Newcastle.

[anniesdad]

Wacky Racer said:

Very few players would play for a club knowing that somebody else would pay them far more, unless they were their boyhood club, examples include Beckham and Sanchez at United, Mike Doyle at City and Shearer at Newcastle.

EFA.

[ORD]

Can we agree not to mention Sanchez anymore? It’s too depressing. Better to pretend he doesn’t exist.

[m3sye]

anniesdad said:

Today in the press conference? Or are you saying he's inferring that?

He's said today that there are some players that care more than others.

Over to you Antonio....earn your armband.

Edited by anniesdad on Monday 1st October 17:04

I was on about whatbwas being said in here.

Jose came across loads better today in his press conference

[bstb3]

m3sye said:

I was on about whatbwas being said in here.

Jose came across loads better today in his press conference

To be fair to Jose, his pre match press conferences are usually pretty ok. It's the post match ones where the adrenaline is flowing that are the issue.

[Black can man]

m3sye said:

I was on about whatbwas being said in here.

Jose came across loads better today in his press conference

Phone still playing up fella ?

[m3sye]

Black can man said:

Phone still playing up fella ?

Standard

I use samsung but the amount of words they change is ridiculous to say the least, or maybe i just have fat fingers

[jammy-git]

ORD said:

Can we agree not to mention Sanchez anymore? It’s too depressing. Better to pretend he doesn’t exist.

20 players on the pitch manage it.

[jammy-git]

So it seems Ronaldo has been accused of, and practically admitted to, rape: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/9kk9i7/br...

[GTO-3R]

jammy-git said:

So it seems Ronaldo has been accused of, and practically admitted to, rape: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/9kk9i7/br...

Shouldn't that be on the Cristiano Ronaldo thread and not in here?

[Black can man]

Big game tonight, will be interesting what kind of line up José picks .

Surely Lingard & Sanchez will be back in a he frame for selection.

[franki68]

jammy-git said:

franki68 said:

I think it does,the owners are exclusively interested in how much money the club can make them,this filtered down .
Players are bought for commercial not football reasons ,managers are recruited but then not given the tools required (Jose has not been able to buy who he wants and from I gather quite a few of the signings made under him were not his choice ,or at best were his 4th or 5th choices in that position.
Blaming the manager is all well and good but the football quality has been poor really for 8-9 years ,we got away with it due to Ferguson and a core of world class players .Years of underinvestment Resulted in united falling behind city and the pathetic recruitment policy since has been a panic situation playing catch up.
We have the second highest wage bill in football and a bunch of mercenaries strolling around the pitch .

Slightly different perspective to the one I was thinking of and I agree with what you've said.

My perspective was more of, if you had a DoF with an ethos set in stone, you wouldn't be buying players only for commercial reasons - not unless those players first suited that ethos.

And I don't get this, "the players weren't Jose's 1st choice, sometimes they were 4th or 5th choice" BS. If they're on a listed of players that Jose is happy with, then he can't complain even if they are 4th or 5th choice - if they can't do the job, don't put them on the list! He should take a leaf out of Klopp's book and if the type of player he wants isn't available then don't settle for someone who is a gamble and just wait until a player does become available.

Bit confused about the last para but based on what I think you are saying I have to disagree ,if a manager says his priority is say a new centre half and say a left winger is his 5th priority but the club go and buy a left winger surely there is an issue there ?

[Alpinestars]

I think the decision has been made....

Don’t know who the replacement is.

[uk66fastback]

I thought Maureen would give a list of players for THE ONE POSITION? And have three or four choices FOR THAT POSITION ...

It's surely a bit daft having ONE target for ONE position - and then not getting them - that's just called bad planning!