Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[Ascayman]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's a level playing field between the two teams in each game.

Spurs v Chelsea, played in a great stadium in front of 60K fans on a snooker table pitch.
Tranmere v Man U, played in a quagmire in front of 15k fans.

So that's not a level playing field either, according to you???

But it's not between all four is it. One fixture is being played (theoretically) without referee error the other isn't.

Now youre just being obtuce.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ascayman said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's a level playing field between the two teams in each game.

Spurs v Chelsea, played in a great stadium in front of 60K fans on a snooker table pitch.
Tranmere v Man U, played in a quagmire in front of 15k fans.

So that's not a level playing field either, according to you???

But it's not between all four is it. One fixture is being played (theoretically) without referee error the other isn't.

Now youre just being obtuce.

Both fixtures are being played under the same conditions for the 2 teams involved. And those conditions might work in favour or against either side. It makes absolutely no odds to Tranmere or Man U who are playing without var that Spurs v Chelsea have var, and visa versa. When Spurs played Chelsea in the league, it worked for chelsea, getting a pen for the goalie's foul on Alonso the ref missed. When Chelsea played Spurs, it worked for Spurs, Lo Celso not getting sent off when he should have done. If they played in the cup, no one knows how var would pan out and in whose favour.

No matter how you dress it up, all it amounts to is that one ground has facilities another doesn't. And it makes perfect sense to use the facilities available at each ground.

[Ascayman]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ascayman said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's a level playing field between the two teams in each game.

Spurs v Chelsea, played in a great stadium in front of 60K fans on a snooker table pitch.
Tranmere v Man U, played in a quagmire in front of 15k fans.

So that's not a level playing field either, according to you???

But it's not between all four is it. One fixture is being played (theoretically) without referee error the other isn't.

Now youre just being obtuce.

Both fixtures are being played under the same conditions for the 2 teams involved. And those conditions might work in favour or against either side. It makes absolutely no odds to Tranmere or Man U who are playing without var that Spurs v Chelsea have var, and visa versa. When Spurs played Chelsea in the league, it worked for chelsea, getting a pen for the goalie's foul on Alonso the ref missed. When Chelsea played Spurs, it worked for Spurs, Lo Celso not getting sent off when he should have done. If they played in the cup, no one knows how var would pan out and in whose favour.

No matter how you dress it up, all it amounts to is that one ground has facilities another doesn't. And it makes perfect sense to use the facilities available at each ground.

This is tedious you're being difficult for the sake of it...

Yes it's the same for those two teams but that's not the point. It is a cup competition so is about more than two teams..

Given those fixtures. Utd could go out due to a referee error Chelsea can't. No matter how you dress it up that's not a level playing field.

It's really not that difficult understand unless you're specifically trying not to.

[Cie]

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[Cie]

It's basically a void season anyway so may as well make it officially so.

[Blib]

Cie said:

It's basically a void season anyway so may as well make it officially so.

I for one certainly wont give full credit to whichever team wins the league this season.

The final league table will need a huge asterisk by it.

[Cie]

Blib said:

Cie said:

It's basically a void season anyway so may as well make it officially so.

I for one certainly wont give full credit to whichever team wins the league this season.

The final league table will need a huge asterisk by it.

Absolutely. It doesn't matter the team because we can't be sure who's going to win it, it's been an experiment and it's not worked. The trophy may as well say N/A on it.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ascayman said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Ascayman said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

It's a level playing field between the two teams in each game.

Spurs v Chelsea, played in a great stadium in front of 60K fans on a snooker table pitch.
Tranmere v Man U, played in a quagmire in front of 15k fans.

So that's not a level playing field either, according to you???

But it's not between all four is it. One fixture is being played (theoretically) without referee error the other isn't.

Now youre just being obtuce.

Both fixtures are being played under the same conditions for the 2 teams involved. And those conditions might work in favour or against either side. It makes absolutely no odds to Tranmere or Man U who are playing without var that Spurs v Chelsea have var, and visa versa. When Spurs played Chelsea in the league, it worked for chelsea, getting a pen for the goalie's foul on Alonso the ref missed. When Chelsea played Spurs, it worked for Spurs, Lo Celso not getting sent off when he should have done. If they played in the cup, no one knows how var would pan out and in whose favour.

No matter how you dress it up, all it amounts to is that one ground has facilities another doesn't. And it makes perfect sense to use the facilities available at each ground.

This is tedious you're being difficult for the sake of it...

Yes it's the same for those two teams but that's not the point. It is a cup competition so is about more than two teams..

Given those fixtures. Utd could go out due to a referee error Chelsea can't. No matter how you dress it up that's not a level playing field.

It's really not that difficult understand unless you're specifically trying not to.

And Utd could go thru due to a ref's error and Chelsea can't. So what. Chelsea's game at Spurs won't be called off due to a frozen pitch, Man U's at Tranmere might. Should clubs with undersoil heating not use it??? Because some fixtures are being played without it. If the changing room central heating packs up at a non league ground hosting a 3rd round tie, does word have to go out to all the other home clubs not to use theirs???

So long as both teams in each tie are operating under the same conditions, it makes not a jot of difference that different facilities are in place at different grounds. None at all.

[Ascayman]

I cant explain it to you in any simpler terms. If you think having VAR in some ties but not others is a level playing field then ill leave you to it.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Ascayman said:

I cant explain it to you in any simpler terms. If you think having VAR in some ties but not others is a level playing field then ill leave you to it.

There is no logic to your position, absolutely none. If we assume (and I know it isn't working) that VAR is an improvement, as it's meant to be, you are going out of you way to make all ties vulnerable to ref's errors, instead of just some. And you think that's levelling things up? The 2 teams playing in a tie without VAR are no less likely to get thru or go out because of the outcome of other ties with var.

[rosetank]

VAR will not change football for the better.

Do I win

[TTmonkey]

Cie said:

Blib said:

Cie said:

It's basically a void season anyway so may as well make it officially so.

I for one certainly wont give full credit to whichever team wins the league this season.

The final league table will need a huge asterisk by it.

Absolutely. It doesn't matter the team because we can't be sure who's going to win it, it's been an experiment and it's not worked. The trophy may as well say N/A on it.

Unfortunately the historically most ‘complainy’’ fans won’t be complaining as much as usual for some reason.

[ro250]

In the post-match interview on MOTD, Moyes gave another fantastic example of just how stupid you can make yourself sound when a VAR decision doesn’t go your way.

He said the referee and 2 officials were of a high standard and said “I’d have trusted their decision” so effectively saying VAR wasn’t needed. The decision by the on-field officials was wrong and was corrected by VAR. Fact.

Why can’t managers just be honest and say “I thought it was going to be disallowed but was disappointed when it wasn’t”?

[Wonderman]

ro250 said:

In the post-match interview on MOTD, Moyes gave another fantastic example of just how stupid you can make yourself sound when a VAR decision doesn’t go your way.

He said the referee and 2 officials were of a high standard and said “I’d have trusted their decision” so effectively saying VAR wasn’t needed. The decision by the on-field officials was wrong and was corrected by VAR. Fact.

Why can’t managers just be honest and say “I thought it was going to be disallowed but was disappointed when it wasn’t”?

Classic manager blaming everyone other than his team. I was at the match and West Ham should've scored at least 2, fortunately their finishing sucked.

[LotusOmega375D]

At least my team won’t get screwed by VAR this week.

[monty999]

Just thought I’d bring back this old chestnut as we approach a restart.(I assume It will still be in use.) As there will be no atmosphere to kill it might work better in this situation. Still hoping they don’t forget how st is was in normal circumstances 😉

[LotusOmega375D]

In the Dortmund v Bayern game last week, Boateng made a great save with his arm to deny a Dortmund equaliser. It was a stonewall penalty, but wasn’t even referred to VAR!

[monty999]

LotusOmega375D said:

In the Dortmund v Bayern game last week, Boateng made a great save with his arm to deny a Dortmund equaliser. It was a stonewall penalty, but wasn’t even referred to VAR!

So do you know if it is actually being used or not as it's gone pretty quiet on the subject. I've only watched a little bit of highlights so not noticed if it's in operation.

[LotusOmega375D]

Yes it’s being used. Just not when it matters...

Curiously there seems to be less VAR generally though.

[unident]

Not VAR, but goal line technology has just had a shocker. The Villa keeper caught the ball and carried it backwards over his line. So obvious as he’s trying to push the ball back into play and it’s wedged behind the post. No goal apparently.

Just what the game needs on its return