Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
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JNW1 said:
And, while I might have missed something, as far as I can see there's still been no explanation from the Premier League as to how and why the process failed on Wednesday night....
The company behind the tech put out a statement, along the lines that, for the first time in any match covered by the tech, the unique positioning of the players and the ball and the goalie in this particular incident all conspired to prevent the 7 cameras from combining, and thus to decide, that the ball had crossed the line. TwigtheWonderkid said:
The company behind the tech put out a statement, along the lines that, for the first time in any match covered by the tech, the unique positioning of the players and the ball and the goalie in this particular incident all conspired to prevent the 7 cameras from combining, and thus to decide, that the ball had crossed the line.
That’s got to be b
ks from them though. They can’t need all 7 to have a clear line of sight, otherwise it would never work, as there will always be someone blocking at least one of them. They still need to explain why VAR didn’t notify the referee too.unident said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The company behind the tech put out a statement, along the lines that, for the first time in any match covered by the tech, the unique positioning of the players and the ball and the goalie in this particular incident all conspired to prevent the 7 cameras from combining, and thus to decide, that the ball had crossed the line.
That’s got to be bks from them though. They can’t need all 7 to have a clear line of sight, otherwise it would never work, as there will always be someone blocking at least one of them. They still need to explain why VAR didn’t notify the referee too.Even if they did review it, after the Le Censo decision at Stamford Bridge, it's possible they looked at it and decided it hadn't crossed the line.
The Le Censo thing was the nail in the coffin of var. It showed they could review an obvious situation, for 2 mins, and still get it wrong, and then have to apologise afterwards. There's no point to it. Just let the ref get things wrong like the old days. Instead of var getting them wrong.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
It may not need all 7, but it might need 3 or 4. Why would var even bother to get involved? They aren't watching Sky like us, they are just watching the match as it goes on. Hawkeye never gave it and so they're probably just thinking it couldn't have crossed the line.
Even if they did review it, after the Le Censo decision at Stamford Bridge, it's possible they looked at it and decided it hadn't crossed the line.
The Le Censo thing was the nail in the coffin of var. It showed they could review an obvious situation, for 2 mins, and still get it wrong, and then have to apologise afterwards. There's no point to it. Just let the ref get things wrong like the old days. Instead of var getting them wrong.
I’m not a fan of VAR, far from it. If anything this is another reason to get rid of it, as it didn’t step in when it should. VAR is supposed to step in when there’s a clear and obvious error. I’m not sure how much more clear and obvious this one could have been. If technology is there, it should work (goal line tech), if that fails and a secondary tech is there (VAR) then that should step in. The tech is there to support the ref, but instead it’s becoming the ref and the guy in black merely a puppet to blow the whistle when he’s told to by it. Without either set of tech, I’m co code t the referee would have done a lot more than tap his wrist and say it didn’t buzz so no goal. Even if they did review it, after the Le Censo decision at Stamford Bridge, it's possible they looked at it and decided it hadn't crossed the line.
The Le Censo thing was the nail in the coffin of var. It showed they could review an obvious situation, for 2 mins, and still get it wrong, and then have to apologise afterwards. There's no point to it. Just let the ref get things wrong like the old days. Instead of var getting them wrong.
LotusOmega375D said:
Oh and it would have been a rubbish goal anyway....
But a goal all the same and potentially 2 critical points for my team in the mad dream of chasing Europe. Not to mention one which could have massive repercussions in the relegation battle. What if villa stay up by a point, or even goal difference If it was against one of the big teams it would be uproar, but it was little old plucky Sheffield United and so nobody gives a s
t and we all need to stfu and move on. Edited by eltax91 on Friday 19th June 13:44
eltax91 said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Oh and it would have been a rubbish goal anyway....
But a goal all the same and potentially 2 critical points for my team in the mad dream of chasing Europe. Not to mention one which could have massive repercussions in the relegation battle. What if villa stay up by a point, or even goal difference If it was against one of the big teams it would be uproar, but it was little old plucky Sheffield United and so nobody gives a s
t and we all need to stfu and move on. Edited by eltax91 on Friday 19th June 13:44
TwigtheWonderkid said:
JNW1 said:
And, while I might have missed something, as far as I can see there's still been no explanation from the Premier League as to how and why the process failed on Wednesday night....
The company behind the tech put out a statement, along the lines that, for the first time in any match covered by the tech, the unique positioning of the players and the ball and the goalie in this particular incident all conspired to prevent the 7 cameras from combining, and thus to decide, that the ball had crossed the line. eltax91 said:
If it was against one of the big teams it would be uproar, but it was little old plucky Sheffield United and so nobody gives a st and we all need to stfu and move on.
Roll up, roll up, tinfoil hats, get yer tinfoil hats. t and we all need to stfu and move on. According to the fans of the "little teams" var was needed because all the refs are now in the pocket of the big teams. Now we have var, the little teams are still suffering.
And as for no one gives a s
t, the football world has talked about fk all else since it happened. Truth is, if it had happened to Liverpool v Villa, it would have been less of a big deal, not more. Because Liverpool would have won the game regardless. Because they are miles better than you are. I'm really fed up with this chip on the shoulder attitude of "little" teams, how they are always persecuted. I support Chelsea. We used to be one of the "little teams". The reason we were little wasn't because we were persecuted by refs. It was because we had very limited money, so had to employ mediocre players.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Roll up, roll up, tinfoil hats, get yer tinfoil hats.
According to the fans of the "little teams" var was needed because all the refs are now in the pocket of the big teams. Now we have var, the little teams are still suffering.
And as for no one gives a st, the football world has talked about fk all else since it happened. Truth is, if it had happened to Liverpool v Villa, it would have been less of a big deal, not more. Because Liverpool would have won the game regardless. Because they are miles better than you are.
I'm really fed up with this chip on the shoulder attitude of "little" teams, how they are always persecuted. I support Chelsea. We used to be one of the "little teams". The reason we were little wasn't because we were persecuted by refs. It was because we had very limited money, so had to employ mediocre players.
Oh mr wonderkid. Ive had it much much worse. I’ve been a ST holder for 31 years (I’m 37!) so this is definitely not a chip on the shoulder. I watched my team slug out out in the depths of L1 for years. I’m in dream land right now being top half of the premier league. No chips here. According to the fans of the "little teams" var was needed because all the refs are now in the pocket of the big teams. Now we have var, the little teams are still suffering.
And as for no one gives a s
t, the football world has talked about fk all else since it happened. Truth is, if it had happened to Liverpool v Villa, it would have been less of a big deal, not more. Because Liverpool would have won the game regardless. Because they are miles better than you are. I'm really fed up with this chip on the shoulder attitude of "little" teams, how they are always persecuted. I support Chelsea. We used to be one of the "little teams". The reason we were little wasn't because we were persecuted by refs. It was because we had very limited money, so had to employ mediocre players.
Notice that from 6pm last night, the talk has all gone away, because there’s something new to talk about. Hardly what You would consider ‘talking about f
k all else’ now is it?Doesn’t change the fact we are bottom of the fabled VaR table. There’s relatively speaking f
k all talk about righting the wrong is there? If this was Liverpool or city (or your beloved chelsea when they were winning titles) then there would be talk of giving points retrospectively. To put this into similar words to your own. I’m really fed up of this entitled attitude problem of these big sides. The ones with all the TV money, with perpetual success because they can buy it. :P
Cheer up pal. This was supposed to be a healthy debate, not a personal insult fest
eltax91 said:
Doesn’t change the fact we are bottom of the fabled VaR table. There’s relatively speaking fk all talk about righting the wrong is there? If this was Liverpool or city (or your beloved chelsea when they were winning titles) then there would be talk of giving points retrospectively.
No one would be talking about giving points retrospectively. That's nonsense. This is football, not Bullseye. We don't do "here's what you could have won".k all talk about righting the wrong is there? If this was Liverpool or city (or your beloved chelsea when they were winning titles) then there would be talk of giving points retrospectively. Liverpool or City probably would have won the game regardless, because they are just better that you.
Last time I looked, Chrystal Palace were top of the VAR table. Hardly one of the PL giants. And Chelsea were 4th from bottom.
Then at Villa Park Fernandes stamps on Konsa’s ankle, but instead of being shown a straight red, John Moss awards a penalty to Man Utd. VAR doesn’t overule it and that man Fernandes converts. Man Utd have now been awarded a Premier League record number of penalties with 4 and a half matches still to play...
An admission that VAR got the Man Utd and Southampton penalties wrong. It's no good admitting after the game that the ref and VAR got it wrong. They were both awful decisions that shouldn't have been wrong. It's hard to understand how they can be that wrong.
I don't agree with Dion Dublin that the VAR panel requires a retired player who can read what a player is doing. Anyone with common sense can see what happened. A ref should also be able to read and see..
I don't agree with Dion Dublin that the VAR panel requires a retired player who can read what a player is doing. Anyone with common sense can see what happened. A ref should also be able to read and see..
Driver101 said:
An admission that VAR got the Man Utd and Southampton penalties wrong. It's no good admitting after the game that the ref and VAR got it wrong. They were both awful decisions that shouldn't have been wrong. It's hard to understand how they can be that wrong.
Incompetance or corruption. People would be fired if they made such blatantly wrong decisions in other jobs. Why aren't the people determining that VAR made the wrong decision, actually making the VAR decisions......?
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