Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[wazztie16]

I propose VAR looks at a referee decision for 30 seconds, if they can't call it in that time then the OFR is used. If it still can't be called, the original referees decision stands.

No more wasting 4-5 minutes on a decision.

[Frimley111R]

LotusOmega375D said:

Then at Villa Park Fernandes stamps on Konsa’s ankle, but instead of being shown a straight red, John Moss awards a penalty to Man Utd. VAR doesn’t overule it and that man Fernandes converts. Man Utd have now been awarded a Premier League record number of penalties with 4 and a half matches still to play...

As a Utd fan even I won't defend that. It was mental. Not in the box and Fernandes stood on the Villa player's ankle. We saw it time and again in replays! WTF? Christ, if 100 different angles aren't enough to make a correct decision you've got wonder about the competence of any referees.

V = good
AR = still dire!!!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

So, as we stand, what's the worst VAR decision this season? Cundy said last night it was the Man U pen v Villa. I still think it was Le Celso of Spurs not getting sent off at Stamford Bridge. Then we had the Sheff Utd goal v Villa that wasn't given (goal line tech failure that VAR never overruled).

There's no doubt others that are worthy contenders.

[Frimley111R]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So, as we stand, what's the worst VAR decision this season? Cundy said last night it was the Man U pen v Villa. I still think it was Le Celso of Spurs not getting sent off at Stamford Bridge. Then we had the Sheff Utd goal v Villa that wasn't given (goal line tech failure that VAR never overruled).

There's no doubt others that are worthy contenders.

Well the Sheffiled Utd goal was more of a tech issue, the rest are shockingly poor refereeing decisions despite clear views of what happened.

[Blue62]

The real issue is what are they going to do about it? We have the most watched league in world football and a system that is clearly flawed, it’s a joke.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Blue62 said:

The real issue is what are they going to do about it? We have the most watched league in world football and a system that is clearly flawed, it’s a joke.

Scrap it hopefully. Let the match officials decide in real time. Yes, they'll get decisions wrong, but we all understand they get one look in real time and they're only human. I was quite happy with that system.And let's face it, VAR has caused all this fury and trauma, and for what? The top three teams last season are currently the top three teams this season, just with City and Liverpool swapping places. And the bottom 3 are all teams that you would expect to maybe be down there. So it's made absolutely no difference to the final outcome.

The bias towards the "big" teams that so many fans of smaller clubs said would be eradicated by VAR either never actually existed, or is still being shown by the VAR officials.

[TEKNOPUG]

Forget VAR, how can a match official be informed by his employers that he got 3 pivotal decisions wrong? The whole officiating setup is deeply flawed. VAR is irrelevant if they still make the wrong decisions. It's not as if pundits or fans don't understand the laws or directives. It's the refs that seemingly don't!

[sjc]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So, as we stand, what's the worst VAR decision this season? Cundy said last night it was the Man U pen v Villa. I still think it was Le Celso of Spurs not getting sent off at Stamford Bridge. Then we had the Sheff Utd goal v Villa that wasn't given (goal line tech failure that VAR never overruled).

There's no doubt others that are worthy contenders.

Tarkowski on Bowen halfway up his leg this week would ne a contender. HTF that was seen as a yellow and not changed to red was beyond belief. I was all for VAR at the start, now I want it banished for good. I see more crap decisions now than before it came in, and it's ruined the game and the match experience for fans as well..

[unident]

This last round of matches has shown how poor VAR really is.

2 x penalties given - United & Southampton that we’re never penalties
1 x not given - Spurs
1 x red card not given in the Burnley / West Ham match

It seems to me that it’s there mainly to enforce the letter of the law to rule out goals scored from open play, rather than picking out the clear and obvious errors. Offside being given for millimetres, handballs from players falling over, or the ball brushing them on the way past. I know these are the rules, but they are ruining the flow of the game, not that it’s up to much at the moment with empty stadia.

It needs to go. The ideas of time limits, or maximum number of views, or whatever to restrict it will just cause more controversy when there’s a delay to it being available and one team gets away with something obvious.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

sjc said:

I was all for VAR at the start, now I want it banished for good. I see more crap decisions now than before it came in, and it's ruined the game and the match experience for fans as well..

Now I'm not the sort of smug git that would say "I told you so", but see my posts on page 1

[TEKNOPUG]

This is a good article about reviews in the NFL and the problem with objective and subjective incidents. And why they are scrapping the subjective reviews.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-pass-...

This is the crux of the issue for me, VAR is pointless if the wrong calls still get made.

[A Winner Is You]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

So, as we stand, what's the worst VAR decision this season? Cundy said last night it was the Man U pen v Villa. I still think it was Le Celso of Spurs not getting sent off at Stamford Bridge. Then we had the Sheff Utd goal v Villa that wasn't given (goal line tech failure that VAR never overruled).

There's no doubt others that are worthy contenders.

Maguire's unpunished nut kick and Zouma's incorrectly ruled out goal in the same game must be in with a shout, especially as it could have major ramifications for the Champions League places.

[Frimley111R]

Video is not an issue, it's the challenge of making the right decisions, therefore its refereeing that is the issue, not the video element. Even with the video element referees are making bad decisions. Removing the video element does not fix the fundamental issue of poor refereeing.

[RichB]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

sjc said:

I was all for VAR at the start, now I want it banished for good. I see more crap decisions now than before it came in, and it's ruined the game and the match experience for fans as well..

Now I'm not the sort of smug git that would say "I told you so", but see my posts on page 1

Your opinion of VAR is well know, there's no need for a "told you so" post, so I'm glad you didn't just post one.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

RichB said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

sjc said:

I was all for VAR at the start, now I want it banished for good. I see more crap decisions now than before it came in, and it's ruined the game and the match experience for fans as well..

Now I'm not the sort of smug git that would say "I told you so", but see my posts on page 1

Your opinion of VAR is well know, there's no need for a "told you so" post, so I'm glad you didn't just post one.

I wouldn't be so crass!

[RichB]

[Puggit]

Well VAR officials hiding in their Stockley Park offices seem to love Villa

[fathomfive]

Why wasn't Grealish booked for simulation there, after the decision was overturned?

[Puggit]

fathomfive said:

Why wasn't Grealish booked for simulation there, after the decision was overturned?

See above.

This will upset Twig, but the big team seemed to get the rub of the green. Again.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.