Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[unident]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

[TwigtheWonderkid]

unident said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

Oh, I know. It's a crap argument. But as those in favour of tech were always saying "you can't have a team relegated because of a ref's error", if that's true, a team have now been relegated because of a technology error.

[A Winner Is You]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

unident said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

Oh, I know. It's a crap argument. But as those in favour of tech were always saying "you can't have a team relegated because of a ref's error", if that's true, a team have now been relegated because of a technology error.

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

[Puggit]

A Winner Is You said:

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

Watford were relegated by one point. Interestingly, the one point that Villa erroneously gained by the biggest snafu of the season.

Oh, and here is a litany of poor decisions against us this season: https://alloutfootball.co.uk/watford-vs-var/

So, have we been rubbish - the answer is a clear yes. Poor club management, poor recruiting and some lazy players have harmed us massively. But - there's more than a small margin of error in the decisions in the article above. Even today, against a big club it took 3 minutes to give a penalty. Clear and obvious...?

There's a blessing of being in the championship next season - not being robbed blind by VAR.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

A Winner Is You said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

unident said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

Oh, I know. It's a crap argument. But as those in favour of tech were always saying "you can't have a team relegated because of a ref's error", if that's true, a team have now been relegated because of a technology error.

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

Err.yes, I know. But supporters of technology always claimed clubs were being relegated by poor reffing decisions and that had to stop. Well if that's true, then now a club has been relegated due to a tech failure.

[A Winner Is You]

Puggit said:

A Winner Is You said:

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

Watford were relegated by one point. Interestingly, the one point that Villa erroneously gained by the biggest snafu of the season.

Oh, and here is a litany of poor decisions against us this season: https://alloutfootball.co.uk/watford-vs-var/

So, have we been rubbish - the answer is a clear yes. Poor club management, poor recruiting and some lazy players have harmed us massively. But - there's more than a small margin of error in the decisions in the article above. Even today, against a big club it took 3 minutes to give a penalty. Clear and obvious...?

There's a blessing of being in the championship next season - not being robbed blind by VAR.

The problem is we can agree an error was made, but we have no idea what the effects would have been. Villa should have been 1-0 down, but we have no idea if that would have been the final result, or if they would have mounted a comeback and got all 3 points. As far as I'm aware, that's the only time goalline technology has failed, but do agree VAR gets it wrong on a constant basis.

[Blib]

A Winner Is You said:

but do agree VAR gets it wrong on a constant basis.

NOT getting it wrong at all was what drove the insane desire by football's governing bodies to introduce VAR.

As this goal (sic) has failed miserably and utterly, the only sensible response is to drop VAR.

This will never EVER happen. So, we're stuck with this awful blight on the Beautiful Game for ever.

[A Winner Is You]

Blib said:

A Winner Is You said:

but do agree VAR gets it wrong on a constant basis.

NOT getting it wrong at all was what drove the insane desire by football's governing bodies to introduce VAR.

As this goal (sic) has failed miserably and utterly, the only sensible response is to drop VAR.

This will never EVER happen. So, we're stuck with this awful blight on the Beautiful Game for ever.

It would be much better if the ref was informed of a possible error, then he chooses whether to watch the incident in real time on a pitchside monitor. If no decision is reached in 60 seconds, the original call stands.

[Hungrymc]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

A Winner Is You said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

unident said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

Oh, I know. It's a crap argument. But as those in favour of tech were always saying "you can't have a team relegated because of a ref's error", if that's true, a team have now been relegated because of a technology error.

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

Err.yes, I know. But supporters of technology always claimed clubs were being relegated by poor reffing decisions and that had to stop. Well if that's true, then now a club has been relegated due to a tech failure.

Although I think VAR has been awful, your argument is flawed. Why would you pick only one decision out of the whole season. Look at the Villa equalizer at Palace that was ruled out and didn’t even get a VAR penalty for a foul when Friend incorrectly blew up for a dive (that was a stonewall penalty if the goal was ruled out). We’ve had Mings giving a penalty for a ball that struck his shoulder - not a clear enough error... hmmm.

That’s the trouble isn’t it. VAR is crap, lots of refereeing decisions are crap, it’s a good job there are 38 games to try and let it even itself out.

To be honest, the minute I heard VAR replays wouldn’t be on the stadium screens, I was convinced the priority was to avoid embarrassing the on field officials as opposed to getting the right decisions.... it’s a sham and a wasted opportunity.

[unident]

A Winner Is You said:

It would be much better if the ref was informed of a possible error, then he chooses whether to watch the incident in real time on a pitchside monitor. If no decision is reached in 60 seconds, the original call stands.

What happened on the day that VAR isn’t available for all of those 60 seconds due to a slight glitch? When does the clock start ticking? Who measures it? What tech is being used to measure it? What if that fails? And so on.

[Hungrymc]

If it were a tool available to the ref (like in rugby) you wouldn’t have all the politics of supporting / undermining the on field officials.

I know rugby has more breaks in play, but the way the ref can call for a look, or get a message in his ear that he might like to view something seems to work so much better than the football system.

[Blib]

If someone suggests to the ref that he may want to look at something that in itself puts pressure on him to take action.

I wouldn't suggest to the ref to check his screen for offside if I didn't think that a player was off...

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Hungrymc said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

A Winner Is You said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

unident said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

There's a delicious irony in being told for years how much we need technology, there's too much money involved not to have it, you can't have a team relegated due to a ref's error etc. etc. And here we are, Villa stay up and Bournemouth are down due to goal line technology failing and Villa getting a point against Sheff Utd when perhaps they would have lost having gone a goal down. If goal line tech didn't exist, I'm sure the ref and asst ref would have given that goal, and got the decision right.

I really hope Bournemouth sue the firm who makes the tech for the £30m or whatever lost revenue from being relegated, not because I think it's the right thing to do, but because of the negative press and general mayhem it would cause.

fking technology...it's all bks. I want proper football back.

You can’t argue that. Bournemouth had 38 games to save themselves. At least that’s your normal argument

Oh, I know. It's a crap argument. But as those in favour of tech were always saying "you can't have a team relegated because of a ref's error", if that's true, a team have now been relegated because of a technology error.

They haven't been relegated by a technology error though, they've been relegated by their results over 38 games.

Err.yes, I know. But supporters of technology always claimed clubs were being relegated by poor reffing decisions and that had to stop. Well if that's true, then now a club has been relegated due to a tech failure.

Although I think VAR has been awful, your argument is flawed. Why would you pick only one decision out of the whole season.

Because that's what supporters of technology have been doing for years. They've found a ref's error that's cost them points, and then claimed that they've been relegated due to that error, and it's cost them £30m in lost revenue, and that's why we need technology. And most people have swallowed this utter bks and jumped on the VAR / tech bandwagon.

So, in light of that, it's only fair to point out that a tech error has now relegated Bournemouth.

[Hungrymc]

Blib said:

If someone suggests to the ref that he may want to look at something that in itself puts pressure on him to take action.

I wouldn't suggest to the ref to check his screen for offside if I didn't think that a player was off...

But the ref still gets to look and make the decision.

In rugby, the video ref is part of referees team, but the ref still makes the decision.

That changes the dynamic significantly I think.

[unident]

Blib said:

If someone suggests to the ref that he may want to look at something that in itself puts pressure on him to take action.

I wouldn't suggest to the ref to check his screen for offside if I didn't think that a player was off...

Our ball, as both sides claim at every single throw in.

[Hungrymc]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Because that's what supporters of technology have been doing for years. They've found a ref's error that's cost them points, and then claimed that they've been relegated due to that error, and it's cost them £30m in lost revenue, and that's why we need technology. And most people have swallowed this utter bks and jumped on the VAR / tech bandwagon.

So, in light of that, it's only fair to point out that a tech error has now relegated Bournemouth.

Ahh, so you know it’s flawed but are making a point. Understood and fair enough.

I suspect that even people who wanted the tech and liked the idea of VAR are bewildered at how it’s been implemented.

[Frimley111R]

Blib said:

NOT getting it wrong at all was what drove the insane desire by football's governing bodies to introduce VAR.

As this goal (sic) has failed miserably and utterly, the only sensible response is to drop VAR.

This will never EVER happen. So, we're stuck with this awful blight on the Beautiful Game for ever.

Lol, players cheating every way they can to influence decisions was a key part of the beautiful game? Don't make me laugh.

I said it before: V is great but AR still has some way to go.

You simply can't keep going with a sport where cheating is a fundamental part of it. There's big money in football and cheating does not fit with big money sponsors.

[Blib]

I'm not talking about cheating.

VAR was brought in SPECIFICALLY to remove errors made by the officials. It has singularly failed to do that.

Not only that, it has also, C19 notwithstanding, managed to remove the spontaneous joy of goal celebration.

It takes evil genius to carry that off with a straight face. But, they've managed it.

[Antony Moxey]

Frimley111R said:

You simply can't keep going with a sport where cheating is a fundamental part of it. There's big money in football and cheating does not fit with big money sponsors.

So if cheating is such a fundamental part and big money sponsors don't want it, why have there been big money sponsors for years, long before the tech was involved and long before anyone was advocating tech being involved. The sponsors are there because of the excitement and drama, and that includes the mistakes that lead to goals being awarded that shouldn't have been and vice versa.

[Frimley111R]

Antony Moxey said:

Frimley111R said:

You simply can't keep going with a sport where cheating is a fundamental part of it. There's big money in football and cheating does not fit with big money sponsors.

So if cheating is such a fundamental part and big money sponsors don't want it, why have there been big money sponsors for years, long before the tech was involved and long before anyone was advocating tech being involved. The sponsors are there because of the excitement and drama, and that includes the mistakes that lead to goals being awarded that shouldn't have been and vice versa.

Because things change. Look how many companies got involved in BLM, NHS, etc. Their brand image is important to them more than ever now. Players cheating and wearing the sponsors name all over them is not acceptable now.

They don't care about drama and excitements as such, they care about return on investment and their image.