Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
johnboy1975 said:
I like the concept. Ie "eliminate human error". But it just shifts the human error from the linesman to the bloke at Stockley park drawing the lines.
Are errors down? Am sure someone's done an analysis showing they are down (by a lot), but it doesn't really feel that way to me.
As a Brighton fan (Arsenal fans can pipe up two as had VAR mistake a few weeks ago), we can conclusively say VAR DO get things completely wrong, in our game recently they gave offside for one of our goals, except there was a further defender BEHIND the one the drew the line against. Drawn against he correct defender and the goal would have rightly stood. Cost 3 points that decision!Are errors down? Am sure someone's done an analysis showing they are down (by a lot), but it doesn't really feel that way to me.
VAR/etc. did come out after and apologise for mistake but I’ll wager it WILL happen again.
I was at Spurs at the weekend and the Richarlison goal was yet another joke. It took nearly 3 minutes at the ground with no idea what was going on which was my biggest bug bear with it. And maybe tin foil hat mode, but it felt like once the decision had been made to disallow “Oh Liverpool have lost and we want our favourites up there, find a reason to disallow it”
There are just too many incidents now where it feels rigged, luckily it cost us nothing this weekend other than a lovely goal disallowed, which looked marginal at best. Also what FPS are the cameras running to make the decisions?
Its brought nothing to the game.
There are just too many incidents now where it feels rigged, luckily it cost us nothing this weekend other than a lovely goal disallowed, which looked marginal at best. Also what FPS are the cameras running to make the decisions?
Its brought nothing to the game.
Terry Winks said:
I was at Spurs at the weekend and the Richarlison goal was yet another joke. It took nearly 3 minutes at the ground with no idea what was going on which was my biggest bug bear with it. And maybe tin foil hat mode, but it felt like once the decision had been made to disallow “Oh Liverpool have lost and we want our favourites up there, find a reason to disallow it”
There are just too many incidents now where it feels rigged, luckily it cost us nothing this weekend other than a lovely goal disallowed, which looked marginal at best. Also what FPS are the cameras running to make the decisions?
Its brought nothing to the game.
The inconsistency of decisions given by VAR for offsides is causing confusion. There are just too many incidents now where it feels rigged, luckily it cost us nothing this weekend other than a lovely goal disallowed, which looked marginal at best. Also what FPS are the cameras running to make the decisions?
Its brought nothing to the game.
When Man Utd beat Liverpool 2-1 earlier in the season Rashford was offside. However they allowed the goal to stand saying they allowed benefit of doubt. Since then there has been goals chopped off, including Richarlison's, that are more onside than Rashford's.
We are getting the same inconsistency up here in Scotland. Hearts scored a goal against Celtic on Wednesday night. The linesman flagged for offside after the ball was put into the net. The footage looked like the Hearts player was slightly offside. The VAR lines drawn found the Hearts player to be offside. VAR overturned the linesman's decision and the VAR lines and awarded the goal. Nobody understands why it was allowed to be given.
Celtic had a goal chopped off by VAR earlier in the season. It caused lots of confusion as everyone thought it was onside. TV pictures looked onside by a considerable margin. There was no lines shown at the time and people were pressing for evidence. It then came to light that the person operating the VAR camera wasn't watching the game. They weren't watching the game, but still disallowed the goal.
A day or two later an image with lines were given from the VAR camera for the box in the opposition half. It was 60 yards away and it still looked as if the Celtic player was onside.
A couple of weeks ago a referees penalty decision stood even when the foul was clearly a few yards outside the box.
The ref watch panel on Sky were laughing and mocking a handball decision by VAR. VAR here thought it was a clear and obvious error to highlight, yet a panel in the studio with multiple angles and replays can't even see the handball.
There has been far too many errors and unjustifiable decisions. The confidence in VAR is getting worse as we continue. The people in the VAR studios are not capable of making fair, balanced or impartial decisions.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 09:58
Driver101 said:
When Man Utd beat Liverpool 2-1 earlier in the season Rashford was offside. However they allowed the goal to stand saying they allowed benefit of doubt. Since then there has been goals chopped off, including Richarlison's, that are more onside than Rashford's.
Rashford was offside, no dispute.Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 09:58
The argument was whether he was interfering with play or not. VAR said he wasn't and lo - the goal stood
johnboy1975 said:
Driver101 said:
When Man Utd beat Liverpool 2-1 earlier in the season Rashford was offside. However they allowed the goal to stand saying they allowed benefit of doubt. Since then there has been goals chopped off, including Richarlison's, that are more onside than Rashford's.
Rashford was offside, no dispute.Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 09:58
The argument was whether he was interfering with play or not. VAR said he wasn't and lo - the goal stood
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/spor...
We were told after this goal that was the new rules and the decision was correct even though Rashford was offside. Since then similar goals have been ruled out.
It is a bit strange that Man Utd have benefitted from the two most controversial offside VAR decisions this season.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 13:49
Driver101 said:
You are getting the goal against Man City mixed up with the Liverpool goal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/spor...
We were told after this goal that was the new rules and the decision was correct even though Rashford was offside. Since then similar goals have been ruled out.
It is a bit strange that Man Utd have benefitted from the two most controversial offside VAR decisions this season.
Take it you didn't see the game yesterday then where we were shafted out of a few decisions?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/spor...
We were told after this goal that was the new rules and the decision was correct even though Rashford was offside. Since then similar goals have been ruled out.
It is a bit strange that Man Utd have benefitted from the two most controversial offside VAR decisions this season.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 13:49
GTO-3R said:
Driver101 said:
You are getting the goal against Man City mixed up with the Liverpool goal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/spor...
We were told after this goal that was the new rules and the decision was correct even though Rashford was offside. Since then similar goals have been ruled out.
It is a bit strange that Man Utd have benefitted from the two most controversial offside VAR decisions this season.
Take it you didn't see the game yesterday then where we were shafted out of a few decisions?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/spor...
We were told after this goal that was the new rules and the decision was correct even though Rashford was offside. Since then similar goals have been ruled out.
It is a bit strange that Man Utd have benefitted from the two most controversial offside VAR decisions this season.
Edited by Driver101 on Monday 13th March 13:49
Andre Marriner was the ref for Leicester v Chelsea on Saturday. 2 mins in and Felix is fouled and it's a stonewall red card. I've not heard anyone dispute it. No red, no yellow, no var.
On Sunday, Andre Marriner is the VAR who sends off Casimero. Yes, it was a red card, but nowhere near as bad as the Leicester one.
Just bonkers.
On Sunday, Andre Marriner is the VAR who sends off Casimero. Yes, it was a red card, but nowhere near as bad as the Leicester one.
Just bonkers.
t show since VAR was introduced.I'd probably have more faith in this than some of our VAR decisions at the moment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65040042
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65040042
Two penalty decisions today.
Brentford vs Newcastle given to Brentford
Spurs vs Brighton not given to Brighton
Both were where a player kicked the opponent who was a bit quicker to the ball than the defender expected. If anything the Brentford penalty was harsh on Newcastle (took about 5 mins for VAR to send the ref to the monitor), the one Brighton didn’t get is an absolute shocker (VAR reviewed it for about 20 seconds and said play on).
More crap, more controversy, more evidence that the referees on field, or in the booth are simply incapable of applying rules consistently.
Brentford vs Newcastle given to Brentford
Spurs vs Brighton not given to Brighton
Both were where a player kicked the opponent who was a bit quicker to the ball than the defender expected. If anything the Brentford penalty was harsh on Newcastle (took about 5 mins for VAR to send the ref to the monitor), the one Brighton didn’t get is an absolute shocker (VAR reviewed it for about 20 seconds and said play on).
More crap, more controversy, more evidence that the referees on field, or in the booth are simply incapable of applying rules consistently.
48k said:
PGMOL have apologised to Brighton for not awarding a penalty when Hojbjerg trod on Mitoma's foot.
It’s amazing how they can see a hand ball on VAR that really was questionable, but not see a blatant foul on a player in the box that any one else can immediately see. Quite frankly it’s not even funny, this has fallen right into the ‘the game is bent’ category.
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