Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

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Glassman

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20,648 posts

163 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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HRL said:
Well it didn’t spoil Chelsea/Arsenal too much.
Two penalty scenarios; neither enough to change the pitch ref's first opinion of it.

Five minutes added at end of game for such stoppages. Could potentially be a lot more if the game was more intense.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,485 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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HRL said:
Well it didn’t spoil Chelsea/Arsenal too much.
It was a poor game anyway, made worse by bloody var.

Mondschein

71 posts

24 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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If it stops all of this bullshine at corners then I'm all for it.





It drives me nuts as it's out-and-out cheating.

oxford drinker

1,667 posts

177 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Not a fan, but seems like all the managers etc want it so it will happen. Repeatedly watching endless replays will get annoying if it happens several times every half. Perhaps there should be a time limit for the VAR to alter the referee's decision - give them 30 seconds, if it's inconclusive in that time, just carry on.

HRL

1,871 posts

167 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Mondschein said:
If it stops all of this bullshine at corners then I'm all for it.





It drives me nuts as it's out-and-out cheating.
Couldn’t agree more.

Less cheating and more honesty wouldn’t go amiss in the game either.

Driver101

6,189 posts

69 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.


TwigtheWonderkid

30,485 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
They will eventually. We were always promised goal line technology wasn't the thin end of the wedge, and it would stop with that. I knew that was a lie. It won't be long before every disputed throw in is vetted. Especially after a big match is decided with a goal from a throw in awarded the wrong way.

Driver101

6,189 posts

69 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
They will eventually. We were always promised goal line technology wasn't the thin end of the wedge, and it would stop with that. I knew that was a lie. It won't be long before every disputed throw in is vetted. Especially after a big match is decided with a goal from a throw in awarded the wrong way.
They won't even be using it for second yellow card incidents. Straight red card offences only.

I'm not too sure about that as a second yellow has the same result to a team as a straight red.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,485 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
They will eventually. We were always promised goal line technology wasn't the thin end of the wedge, and it would stop with that. I knew that was a lie. It won't be long before every disputed throw in is vetted. Especially after a big match is decided with a goal from a throw in awarded the wrong way.
They won't even be using it for second yellow card incidents. Straight red card offences only.

For now. Give it time.

Mondschein

71 posts

24 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.

TwigtheWonderkid

30,485 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.
Correct. A shirt pull on an attacking player by a defending player in the box (once the ball is in play, not whilst they are jostling waiting for the corner to be taken) is a penalty, if spotted by the ref. So if there's an appeal, the ref can call upon var.

Driver101

6,189 posts

69 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.
If the ref doesn't see it he can't stop the game to view what 20 players did in the box guessing something might have happened.

If he sees it he should give the penalty without assistance.

Mondschein

71 posts

24 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.
If the ref doesn't see it he can't stop the game to view what 20 players did in the box guessing something might have happened.

If he sees it he should give the penalty without assistance.
But if a player ends up on the floor from tug/drag-back and the ref didn't see it but is suspicious then..

monty999

669 posts

53 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Just think how many extra pies will be sold during these 4 hour marathons rolleyes
Also another 'benefit' would be being able to go for a slash during the game without missing anything !

HRL

1,871 posts

167 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Who’d have thought. In the modern game the fans are as over dramatic as the players!

I’m sure if VAR turns out to be ste, it’ll be binned.

Driver101

6,189 posts

69 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.
If the ref doesn't see it he can't stop the game to view what 20 players did in the box guessing something might have happened.

If he sees it he should give the penalty without assistance.
But if a player ends up on the floor from tug/drag-back and the ref didn't see it but is suspicious then..
Not a valid reason to stop the game.

It would utterly ruin the game if every time a player went down the game had to be stopped to view the incident from countless different angles to see if a shirt tug took place. A shirt tug shouldn't cause a player to fall anyway and the last thing we need is more people falling to the ground to open a debate if that little touch or tug was enough to justify a penalty.

If they started doing that people would turn off fast.

I didn't watch any of the semi finals, but it didn't appear to get used much?

Mondschein

71 posts

24 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Driver101 said:
Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
Mondschein said:
Driver101 said:
They won't be using it to decide if there was a shirt pull or not. The game would never get started.
it's a penalty-claim decision for which, I'm led to understand, VAR can be used.
If the ref doesn't see it he can't stop the game to view what 20 players did in the box guessing something might have happened.

If he sees it he should give the penalty without assistance.
But if a player ends up on the floor from tug/drag-back and the ref didn't see it but is suspicious then..
Not a valid reason to stop the game.

It would utterly ruin the game if every time a player went down the game had to be stopped to view 20 players from countless different angles to see if a shirt tug took place. A shirt tug shouldn't cause a player to fall anyway and the last thing we need is more people falling to the ground to open a debate if that little touch or tug was enough to justify a penalty.

If they started doing that people would turn off fast.


It is a valid reason as will be demonstrated at some point in the future. Whether people "would turn off fast" is irrelevant. And it's not "every time a player went down" just when the referee suspects foul play but can't decide. Just like any other challenge in the box where a player is brought down or unfairly impeded but the referee wants a third party to judge the issue.

Driver101 said:
I didn't watch any of the semi finals, but it didn't appear to get used much?
And neither was there any shirt pulling in the penalty area - coincidence? Or are players now aware that the system is operational?

Puggit

41,924 posts

196 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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Any coincidence that 2 of the biggest divers in the PL failed to turn up for the 1st VAR game between Brighton and Palace (Knockaert and Zaha, I'm talking about you...) ?

smartypants

42,140 posts

117 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
The whole move for technology, including goal line technology, is based on a falsehood. And that falsehood is "getting decisions right will make the game better." I don't accept that. It makes the game worse.

Goal line technology has killed of the occasional terrible injustice of a wrong decision. They were always occasional because we can recall them. Mendez for Spuds at Man U, Lampard in the WC, Chelsea scoring in the cup semi v Spuds when it didn't cross the line.

Those things make football better not worse. I don't want football to be fair. Occasionally it should be unfair. It's brilliant to get away with murder, and infuriating to be cheated. When I got to football I want to be ecstatic or furious. I don't want it to be fair all the time.

Eventually these idiots will get their way, and every decision will be right. But I won't be going to watch. It'll be utter crap.
Spot on.

The problem is if we don’t abandon it now there’s a point of no return where every decision the ref makes we’ll question as to why it didn’t go to VAR. They say moments of opinion will not be referred but even that is a matter of opinion.

There is nothing wrong with the standard referee, apparently on average they are 96% correct in decisions in a game. I wish my teams striker was that accurate and we have Harry Kane.

Stop showing replays, that would solve the real problem.



TwigtheWonderkid

30,485 posts

98 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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smartypants said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
The whole move for technology, including goal line technology, is based on a falsehood. And that falsehood is "getting decisions right will make the game better." I don't accept that. It makes the game worse.

Goal line technology has killed of the occasional terrible injustice of a wrong decision. They were always occasional because we can recall them. Mendez for Spuds at Man U, Lampard in the WC, Chelsea scoring in the cup semi v Spuds when it didn't cross the line.

Those things make football better not worse. I don't want football to be fair. Occasionally it should be unfair. It's brilliant to get away with murder, and infuriating to be cheated. When I got to football I want to be ecstatic or furious. I don't want it to be fair all the time.

Eventually these idiots will get their way, and every decision will be right. But I won't be going to watch. It'll be utter crap.
Spot on.

The problem is if we don’t abandon it now there’s a point of no return where every decision the ref makes we’ll question as to why it didn’t go to VAR. They say moments of opinion will not be referred but even that is a matter of opinion.

There is nothing wrong with the standard referee, apparently on average they are 96% correct in decisions in a game. I wish my teams striker was that accurate and we have Harry Kane.

Stop showing replays, that would solve the real problem.
In most games, the ref will be the best performer on the pitch, in terms of errors made. Even if he has a bad game! We need var for the players. Stop the game, pull your star striker over to the side, replay the action and say "how the fk did you miss that, you useless fking tart.