Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
Adam B said:
90% of the issues with VAR would be solved by:
a) applying clear and obvious to offside too (eg use the Souness solution)
b) set a 30 or 60 second time limit on VAR refs making a call
c) mic up the ref to explain the decision to the stadium
I'm confused at the referees having decisions overruled by VAR and at times his call is not questioned. If there is no VAR intervention he's often mobbed by the aggrieved players and VAR, inevitably, comes in. a) applying clear and obvious to offside too (eg use the Souness solution)
b) set a 30 or 60 second time limit on VAR refs making a call
c) mic up the ref to explain the decision to the stadium
In short, I'm just not liking how VAR has ended up. Great idea. The game is just not ready for it, or it is not good enough to be introduced to the game.
C70R said:
What a delightful bunch football fans are...
More can be done by clubs and the governing bodies. Give the referee a little bit more power to penalise for dissent and backchatting but also, if you can pick out the fans making racist comments pitchside, you can also see the ones who are calling the referee - and opposition fans - names and making 'coffee beans' gestures (and more). It has to start somewhere and many of these people clearly aren't learning from people at home.
If it takes minutes to analyse a potential offside, especially one that leads to a goal being disallowed, what advantage does an attacker have if it is ruled that a few mm of his elbow were behind the last man?
I'd understand if it was a 'whole foot' scenario but if the VAR teams are drawing lines and zooming in, their decisions are based on mm. HTF does that give anyone an advantage?
Also, if they are being that precise, why not use the same playback technology in other decisions, such as players conning the referee into blowing for a head injury, or foul (screaming and rolling around on the floor) when even the lads in the studio can see there was no contact.
I'd understand if it was a 'whole foot' scenario but if the VAR teams are drawing lines and zooming in, their decisions are based on mm. HTF does that give anyone an advantage?
Also, if they are being that precise, why not use the same playback technology in other decisions, such as players conning the referee into blowing for a head injury, or foul (screaming and rolling around on the floor) when even the lads in the studio can see there was no contact.
LotusOmega375D said:
We haven’t had a good b
h on this thread for a while, so I thought I would bump it up after last nights MU v AV FA Cup tie.
Does anyone honestly think that Cavani would have won that cross, if he hadn’t ran into Ramsey?
I expect the various PL set-piece coaches will this week be focusing on defending attacking free kicks. Basically defenders step up at point of ball contact and run into the nearest offside player. Any resulting goal will be ruled out.
First they were looking at a possible offside. Not finding enough evidence there they then switched to the moment Cavani ran into Jacobs. Taking way too long to find fault in a goal when if anything, the first 'offence' would have been the Cavani foul.h on this thread for a while, so I thought I would bump it up after last nights MU v AV FA Cup tie.Does anyone honestly think that Cavani would have won that cross, if he hadn’t ran into Ramsey?
I expect the various PL set-piece coaches will this week be focusing on defending attacking free kicks. Basically defenders step up at point of ball contact and run into the nearest offside player. Any resulting goal will be ruled out.
At 1-1 it would have been a good game.
peter tdci said:
What makes last night's events worse is that VAR wasn't in place for all the FA Cup ties - only those played at PL grounds (as I understand it). Surely if it can't be used for every game, then it shouldn't be used at any of them?
Consistency and VAR just do not go together. Arsenal v Man City, Bernado Silva tries to get behind Xhaka in the box. Appeared to be going down any way, but Xhaka grabs his shirt as he begins to lean into the charge. Had Xhaka not grabbed his shirt he would have been fine. Penalty awarded against Arsenal.
Arsenal v Leicester and Mendy (can't remember for sure if it was him or Ricardo) grapples with Martinelli in the box, grabs his shirt and Martinelli hits the deck.
I'm not going to argue if it was a stone-waller or not, but VAR deemed the shirt pull was 'not enough' to bring the player down. No pen.
Inconsistency. The time it's taking to measure how much of a player is behind the last defender is grating now. Other stuff happens on the pitch and VAR doesn't get involved.
If it's here to stay, I'd like to see VAR nudge the referee and say the player clutching his face was not hit anywhere near his face and sin bin him.
Arsenal v Leicester and Mendy (can't remember for sure if it was him or Ricardo) grapples with Martinelli in the box, grabs his shirt and Martinelli hits the deck.
I'm not going to argue if it was a stone-waller or not, but VAR deemed the shirt pull was 'not enough' to bring the player down. No pen.
Inconsistency. The time it's taking to measure how much of a player is behind the last defender is grating now. Other stuff happens on the pitch and VAR doesn't get involved.
If it's here to stay, I'd like to see VAR nudge the referee and say the player clutching his face was not hit anywhere near his face and sin bin him.
Pulling a player's hair is not considered an offence in football's rules (but pulling a player's shirt is).
VAR official Mike Dean took a look at the incident and decided it was not a red card offence, nor a free-kick to Chelsea.
The rule was applied (or there was no rule there to be applied in this case).
Seems a bit of an odd one which now means players could exploit this non rule, no? I wonder how long that will go on for...
VAR official Mike Dean took a look at the incident and decided it was not a red card offence, nor a free-kick to Chelsea.
The rule was applied (or there was no rule there to be applied in this case).
Seems a bit of an odd one which now means players could exploit this non rule, no? I wonder how long that will go on for...
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