Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

[TwigtheWonderkid]

jcremonini said:

If it wasn’t for VAR last night then the Swiss manager would have been in his post match interview lambasting a decision which was incorrect ( that the penalty was not awarded). As a result of VAR the outcome of the match was without argument.

Firstly, I don't think the decision made was correct, but that's not the point. let's assume it was. So the Swiss manager, fans, and nation, would have gone out of the tournament thinking they had been cheated out of it. They could have moaned about it for weeks, gone on forums and said "the ref always favours the big teams" and never had to concede that they deserved to lose.

Now they have still gone out, but have been denied that consolation. Why is that a good thing. Feeling that you have been cheated, or have got away with murder, are key parts of the football experience. Take that away, and we all may as well take up chess. The best player wins, and justice is always done.

Football is life, and life isn't fair.

[monty999]

Goal line technology is great, instant and no argument goal or no goal, that's it. Var technology however, is still a subjective decision being made so there is still no right or wrong decision. When viewing the playback at ultra slow-mo speed anything when the ball touches a hand and freeze-framed can be deemed to be handball regardless of the speed or circumstances that lead to the hand touching the ball. The same can be said about contact in the penalty area. If the Swiss penalty is anything to go by I hope Chelsea players get loads of penalty practice before next season.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

monty999 said:

Goal line technology is great, instant and no argument goal or no goal, that's it.

Most decisions were right before it was introduced and those that weren't were the stuff of legends, made people furious/ecstatic and is just what football needs to survive.

About 5 years ago, I saw Jackie Charlton and Franz Beckenbauer arguing over the 3rd goal in the 66 WC final. It was great. I wonder what people will argue about in the future.

We're killing the game trying to make it "better" and most people can't even see it. So sad when it was pretty much perfect beforehand. Perfect because it was flawed.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

theguvernor15 said:

I don't see why fans don't want VAR, remember how butt-hurt everyone used to get when England would go out of a World Cup/Euro comp due to a dodgy decision, or a missed penalty.

VAR 'should' eradicate things like this.

Well we're butt-hurt again now our goal against Holland has been disallowed. After man City v Spurs and tonight, fans are going to have to learn not to celebrate goals until 5 mins later, when VAR decision is in. Still, it makes the game better.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

England fans chanting "fk VAR" following Callum Wilson goal being disallowed.

I wonder if my unfashionable view that it's a load of fking bks is beginning to gain momentum.

[Gadgetmac]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

England fans chanting "fk VAR" following Callum Wilson goal being disallowed.

I wonder if my unfashionable view that it's a load of fking bks is beginning to gain momentum.

Well if there’s this much controversy in 3 games in this little tournament what is it gonna be like on any typical PL weekend???

[ChocolateFrog]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

England fans chanting "fk VAR" following Callum Wilson goal being disallowed.

I wonder if my unfashionable view that it's a load of fking bks is beginning to gain momentum.

Very frustrating but it was a clear foul.

[Black can man]

Gadgetmac said:

Well if there’s this much controversy in 3 games in this little tournament what is it gonna be like on any typical PL weekend???

I’m stacking up with penalty takers in my FF team next season , ridiculous handballs that we have seen as of late will be a regular occurrence next season .

[jcremonini]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

England fans chanting "fk VAR" following Callum Wilson goal being disallowed.

I wonder if my unfashionable view that it's a load of fking bks is beginning to gain momentum.

Nope. They were singing it because the decision went, correctly, against them. They’d have cheered if the boot was on the other foot.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

ChocolateFrog said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

England fans chanting "fk VAR" following Callum Wilson goal being disallowed.

I wonder if my unfashionable view that it's a load of fking bks is beginning to gain momentum.

Very frustrating but it was a clear foul.

If it was a clear foul we all would have seen it. But none of us did. I'm not even sure it was a foul, but that's not really the point.

I just think all this nonsense with fans celebrating but having the goal ruled out 5 mins later is complete crap.

[wazztie16]

Frimley111R said:

I can't wait for others.I'd love to see a 10 min sin-bin for yellow cards too.

Coming in at grass roots up to the fringes of semi - pro this season coming, I'm still on the fence as an new amateur ref, but I've had my evening course on it, got my little pocket card, I think as refs at grass roots do it during games it'll become easier and second nature, just seemed daunting reading up on it at first.

[Gadgetmac]

Now the England ladies turn to be affected by VAR. This time in their favour.

[Glassman]

Gadgetmac said:

Now the England ladies turn to be affected by VAR. This time in their favour.

Wasn't watching the game but saw the VAR replays and couldn't see how that was a pen.

[Puggit]

An unnatural arm location is behind the back. That was a completely natural position, and the ball was fired from 2m away.

Daft.

[mikal83]

Puggit said:

An unnatural arm location is behind the back. That was a completely natural position, and the ball was fired from 2m away.

Daft.

Read the actual rules before daft posting.

[Nom de ploom]

I thought the scotland women were very unlucky to have that penalty awarded against them yesterday she was so close.

I think referees should not change a decision based on VAR "just because they can" it should be the right decision in the spirit of the gameplay and the reality of the situation.

[Puggit]

mikal83 said:

Puggit said:

An unnatural arm location is behind the back. That was a completely natural position, and the ball was fired from 2m away.

Daft.

Read the actual rules before daft posting.

Ohhhhh, do share?

Which bit is wrong? The fact that behind the back isn't unnatural? That when an opposing player kicks the ball from nearby?

Please make a video of yourself blocking a shot like that and where your arm ends up and post it up here.

[JoseDominguez]

1. Make it clear that WHATEVER the Referee thinks he saw is final. Whether he is wrong or not.
2. Loads of yellow and red cards for arguing with the referee.
3. Massive bans for retrospective evidence of cheating.
For a start.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Puggit said:

An unnatural arm location is behind the back. That was a completely natural position, and the ball was fired from 2m away.

Daft.

A defender approaching an attacker with their arms out wide is not natural. They are doing it to make themselves bigger, and to make it more difficult for the attacker to cross the ball or pass the ball past them. I have no problem with that being handball if the ball hits their arm.

Azpilacueta at Chelsea often faces up the attacker with both arms behind his back, which is something he copied from Ivanovic.

[mikal83]

Puggit said:

mikal83 said:

Puggit said:

An unnatural arm location is behind the back. That was a completely natural position, and the ball was fired from 2m away.

Daft.

Read the actual rules before daft posting.

Ohhhhh, do share?

Which bit is wrong? The fact that behind the back isn't unnatural? That when an opposing player kicks the ball from nearby?

Please make a video of yourself blocking a shot like that and where your arm ends up and post it up here.

If a player raises/spreads their arms to make them look bigger then its a foul.