Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

Will VAR Change Football for the Better?

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Ascayman

12,766 posts

217 months

Saturday 9th November 2019
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New low today.

Ridiculous, feel sorry for the blades.

As a fan in the ground no one knows what's going on must have been 5 mins to get the decision.

Sack it off it doesn't work

mickk

28,983 posts

243 months

Saturday 9th November 2019
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I know some mickey mouse clubs don't have a big screen but surely those that do should have some info displayed.
Having 'VAR checking' is not good enough, as a paying fan you really need to know why the game has been stopped for 3 minutes.

A Winner Is You

25,012 posts

228 months

Saturday 9th November 2019
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Have seen it suggested elsewhere that there should be a maximum of 30 seconds to perform the check, and longer than that and it can't be a clear and obvious error.

Driver101

14,376 posts

122 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Just seen the Sheffield Utd offside now.

Nearly 4 minutes to decide his toe nail was offside is harsh.

Mojooo

12,779 posts

181 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Ridealong said:
VAR stands for Video Assistant Referee, VAR and the assistant referees are not in charge and do not make the final decisions.
The onfield referee is in charge of the match and has the option to take VAR or his assistant view or not, unfortunately no referee this season has gone over to the monitor to check whether VAR decision was right or wrong against his original decision.

I believe if the referee (Stuart Attwell) for the Norwich v Man U game reviewed the incident on the monitor for the 1st VAR penalty, he would have stuck to his original decision (saw no foul by Godfrey) and if the referee (Martin Atkinson) for the Arsenal v Palace game reviewed the incident on the monitor for the VAR disallowed Sokartis goal he would have stuck to his original decision (saw no foul by Chambers).
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/0/var-premier-league-explained-does-work-decisions-can-changed/

referees have been told to avoid on-pitch reviews at the pitch-side screen whenever possible. These types of review are known to cause the longest delays. Instead, on-pitch referees have been told to trust the advice they are given by VAR.


bitchstewie

51,636 posts

211 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Can't help but think that VAR in the World Cup seemed to work.

In the Premier League it seems flawed.

Implementation rather than principle?

wjb

5,100 posts

132 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Can anyone explain why the Guendouzi foul in the box wasn't a penalty?

Nailed on pen for me that.

wjb

5,100 posts

132 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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ExocetApe

93 posts

99 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Surely if a decision isn't obvious in the first 10 seconds of reviewing it, there should be a common sense ruling that it is/is not clear and obvious. Some of the delays and then stupid decisions are turning people against VAR even if it proves itself to be a useful tool at times.

essayer

9,104 posts

195 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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I like the cricket approach - basically if the decision is totally wrong, it gets resolved, but if it’s close, the ‘umpire’s call’ stands

Willmass

251 posts

56 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Driver101 said:
Just seen the Sheffield Utd offside now.

Nearly 4 minutes to decide his toe nail was offside is harsh.
I’m still struggling to see how this goal was given offside , I do think that Lundstram should be encouraged not to wear bright luminous boots in future & adorn grass green boots instead . The thing that puzzles me as they show graphs & lines to show the players positions but they never seem to show when they he ball actually leaves the passers boot . Have to say I liked the goal line Technology but this Var nonsense is already spoiling the people’s love of the game , Sheffield United really did get a raw deal & robbed of a Win against an average Spurs team yesterday.

Puggit

48,526 posts

249 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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ExocetApe said:
Surely if a decision isn't obvious in the first 10 seconds of reviewing it, there should be a common sense ruling that it is/is not clear and obvious. Some of the delays and then stupid decisions are turning people against VAR even if it proves itself to be a useful tool at times.
Ah, you mentioned common sense. That's what the FA and PGMOL have always been lacking. Remember defending cash flow is primary, protecting referees is secondary. The game and the fans are very low in the priority stakes.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,583 posts

151 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Offside rulings aren't decided on clear and obvious error, they are decided on whether the var ref thinks it was offside or not. Penalties and other fouls are meant to be clear and obvious error.

GTO-3R

7,513 posts

214 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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That was 100% a penalty to City and then they go up the other end and score!

VAR is ste!

BrabusMog

20,222 posts

187 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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GTO-3R said:
That was 100% a penalty to City and then they go up the other end and score!

VAR is ste!
How did that not get reviewed? Blatant hand ball!

RichB

51,712 posts

285 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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GTO-3R said:
That was 100% a penalty to City and then they go up the other end and score! VAR is ste!
yes It seems the refs are playing to the traditional rule that it's not handball if it's not deliberate (or ball to hand) and accepting that the rule was meant to have changed to any strike on the hand/arm is a penalty this year. Then we have the situation that VAR do not want to overrule one of their own. laugh It's a total nonsense...

em177

3,135 posts

165 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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Why are we not seeing the VAR checks are in this match when we have been in all the others?

RichB

51,712 posts

285 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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em177 said:
Why are we not seeing the VAR checks are in this match when we have been in all the others?
I have no idea but Salah did appear to be 3mm or 4mm offside, If the man in Stockley Park had drawn his lines it could have been as much as 1 whole centimetre. In previous games we've seen all the slide geometry come into play before the goal being rules out...

GTO-3R

7,513 posts

214 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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mickk

28,983 posts

243 months

Sunday 10th November 2019
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GTO-3R said:
I don’t understand that either. It’s almost like it wasn’t even looked at!
It wasn't looked at, the officials have cars in the car park.