Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevyChase77 said:
Did anyone see Valencia's penalty last night?
The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
Back to clear and obvious. I didn't think it was a pen, but the bloke I was watching it with did. If the 2 of us can disagree, then it's open to interpretation and so not clear and obvious error. The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
Anybody see the Inter vs Prague match?
Penalty appeal by Skavia Prague, not given by the ref, inter break up the other end and score, VAR then checks the penalty appeal and rightly gives it, Slavia Prague score. The match goes from 2-0 Inter to 1-1. Is this the first time it’s happened?
Penalty appeal by Skavia Prague, not given by the ref, inter break up the other end and score, VAR then checks the penalty appeal and rightly gives it, Slavia Prague score. The match goes from 2-0 Inter to 1-1. Is this the first time it’s happened?
Keoparakolo said:
Anybody see the Inter vs Prague match?
Penalty appeal by Skavia Prague, not given by the ref, inter break up the other end and score, VAR then checks the penalty appeal and rightly gives it, Slavia Prague score. The match goes from 2-0 Inter to 1-1. Is this the first time it’s happened?
No.Penalty appeal by Skavia Prague, not given by the ref, inter break up the other end and score, VAR then checks the penalty appeal and rightly gives it, Slavia Prague score. The match goes from 2-0 Inter to 1-1. Is this the first time it’s happened?
But what would have happened if during the (disallowed) breakaway goal the ref had played an advantage to Inter that led to, say, a second yellow for a Praguey player.
If the goal gets chalked off, does the yellow card also get rescinded?
Voldemort said:
No.
But what would have happened if during the (disallowed) breakaway goal the ref had played an advantage to Inter that led to, say, a second yellow for a Praguey player.
If the goal gets chalked off, does the yellow card also get rescinded?
No idea, this is the stuff where the game is getting more and more confusing. Chelsea’s second goal seemed like it was 5 minutes of nothing before it was given. But what would have happened if during the (disallowed) breakaway goal the ref had played an advantage to Inter that led to, say, a second yellow for a Praguey player.
If the goal gets chalked off, does the yellow card also get rescinded?
ChevyChase77 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevyChase77 said:
Did anyone see Valencia's penalty last night?
The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
Back to clear and obvious. I didn't think it was a pen, but the bloke I was watching it with did. If the 2 of us can disagree, then it's open to interpretation and so not clear and obvious error. The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevyChase77 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
ChevyChase77 said:
Did anyone see Valencia's penalty last night?
The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
Back to clear and obvious. I didn't think it was a pen, but the bloke I was watching it with did. If the 2 of us can disagree, then it's open to interpretation and so not clear and obvious error. The Valencia player runs into Jorghino - should be a foul on him, ref incorrectly awards a penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. What a farce.
You see it all the time where players get in front a player, wait for the contact and go down to be awarded a free kick.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I think we may have just seen VAR cost a manager his job.
VAR or lack of VAR will not cost a manager his job. VAR or lack of VAR will never get a team relegated. Those two things happen because over a period of time, the manager or the team, or both, aren't good enough. Keoparakolo said:
How the fork is that not a penalty for Leicester vs Watford?
The Vardy incident was certainly a penalty, but as he does, Vardy made a real meal of it. That's probably what cost him. On the flip side, Watford deserve some VAR luck as we're certainly suffering a deficit with it this year.The referee team clearly reached the same conclusion, because the penalty that was given was soft as f... Typical penalty that Watford would concede, but the big clubs never would.
Puggit said:
Keoparakolo said:
How the fork is that not a penalty for Leicester vs Watford?
The Vardy incident was certainly a penalty, but as he does, Vardy made a real meal of it. That's probably what cost him. Puggit said:
The Vardy incident was certainly a penalty, but as he does, Vardy made a real meal of it. That's probably what cost him. On the flip side, Watford deserve some VAR luck as we're certainly suffering a deficit with it this year.
The referee team clearly reached the same conclusion, because the penalty that was given was soft as f... Typical penalty that Watford would concede, but the big clubs never would.
The point is that VAR should remove the play acting that means a penalty gets given or doesn’t. If the player is fouled then they are fouled no matter how much / little they roll around screaming. The referee team clearly reached the same conclusion, because the penalty that was given was soft as f... Typical penalty that Watford would concede, but the big clubs never would.
Vardy was clearly fouled and it was a stonewall penalty. It was, at the very least, as much a penalty as the one given for the foul on Rashford on the same night.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
That was never in the remit. That's just a imaginary benefit of VAR that it's supporters dreamed up to convince the opponents like me. It was never going to pan out like that.
I didn’t say it was, but it will cut it out in time. You can already see that some players / teams aren’t mobbing the ref like they used to, not all, but some. So how did Harvey Barnes not get a pen when the City keeper clattered him today. That's what I call a clear and obvious error. The only decision to make was not if it was a pen or not, but if it was a red card. I thought it was. Keeper was miles late, very high, completely missed the ball, and hit Barnes so hard he had to be substituted. The ball was still in play following Barnes's off target shot on goal.
I just don't get it. Even if the ref missed it (which I don't understand), why didn't VAR alert him.
Utterly crazy.
I just don't get it. Even if the ref missed it (which I don't understand), why didn't VAR alert him.
Utterly crazy.
Personally don't think it was a foul, Barnes shot, keeper had no effect on that. Ball was well gone and Barnes was never going to regain possession. So not a foul imo, anywhere on the field of play.
Odd there were no appeals for the foul, given it was so clear cut for some people (I watched it live and within the last 2 minutes on MotD).
Odd there were no appeals for the foul, given it was so clear cut for some people (I watched it live and within the last 2 minutes on MotD).
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