Will VAR Change Football for the Better?
Discussion
RobDickinson said:
Personally I would like some better training and vetting of top tier refs and their obvious biases.
They have no obvious biases. That's just rubbish spouted by people looking for an excuse at to why their team is doing badly. We were told by the fans of "smaller" PL teams that VAR would highlight the bias of refs towards the "big clubs". But because there was none, it hasn't happened. Big clubs still make up 3 or the top 4. And the usual suspects are down the bottom.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Tuesday 31st December 19:02
I will probably be in a minority, but I think VAR is a good thing, and only needs to address two issues:
Face it, VAR is here to stay, it's early days and it needs a bit of fine tuning - this is my unpopular opinion.
- this silly "even unintentional handball by an attacker rules out a goal, but we allow defenders to handle the ball as long as not deliberate" rule. I know that's not VAR-specific, it's a change to the Laws, but it's a stupid change that VAR is highlighting.
- the attempt to be overly precise with offside. It's not working, because no-one believes that Pukki's left eyebrow was 0.001 millimetres ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball was played 30 yards away. Why not just have a "laser line " ten centimetres wide? Only if the player is offside beyond this thick line would he actually be ruled as offside.
Face it, VAR is here to stay, it's early days and it needs a bit of fine tuning - this is my unpopular opinion.
Brave Fart said:
I will probably be in a minority, but I think VAR is a good thing, and only needs to address two issues:
Face it, VAR is here to stay, it's early days and it needs a bit of fine tuning - this is my unpopular opinion.
You are in a minority in thinking you like it. However, when I read your post you’re clearly agreeing with the majority as the things you want addressing are what everyone wants addressing. - this silly "even unintentional handball by an attacker rules out a goal, but we allow defenders to handle the ball as long as not deliberate" rule. I know that's not VAR-specific, it's a change to the Laws, but it's a stupid change that VAR is highlighting.
- the attempt to be overly precise with offside. It's not working, because no-one believes that Pukki's left eyebrow was 0.001 millimetres ahead of the defender at the precise moment the ball was played 30 yards away. Why not just have a "laser line " ten centimetres wide? Only if the player is offside beyond this thick line would he actually be ruled as offside.
Face it, VAR is here to stay, it's early days and it needs a bit of fine tuning - this is my unpopular opinion.
One slight problem with your 10cm thick line. They’ll be filling one goal out for being 10.01cm offside and the other at 10cm being OK
FFS. Burnley v Villa. Grealish scores good goal but disallowed for 1mm offside (not flagged) by Wesley from the attack before, after which Burnley had two touches of the ball before Villa won it back and went on to score. It’s so ridiculous and would never have been ruled out before VAR.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: And meanwhile every single game presumably has a VAR monitor at the pitch side which the referees are forbidden to use? 
I think people expected some teething troubles with it being the first season.
Did anyone honestly expect this?
The thing is what would that add? It seems to me that the process isI think people expected some teething troubles with it being the first season.
Did anyone honestly expect this?
1. Goal scored
2. VAR analyse it
3. VAR tell the ref they’ve found a reason to rule it out
If step 4 was added, the ref would simply wander over and agree with the VAR decision. He’s certainly not going to go against it.
Adam B said:
anyone in the FA / referee union with half a brain should just grow a pair and immediately pull VAR for offsides until the end of the season.
I suspect they have neither
Then you’d get people complaining that they lost out / others gained in the second half of the year. You’re absolutely right in what you’ve suggested though. I suspect they have neither
Keoparakolo said:
Then you’d get people complaining that they lost out / others gained in the second half of the year. You’re absolutely right in what you’ve suggested though.
You’ll always get some idiot with a conspiracy theory, is their any football fan who thinks it should stay because they are currently net 1 or 2 decisions down like it will even out in the second half of the year?I don’t really care on the impact on my team as it will be minimal but I don’t want to see a Norwich or Watford get relegated due to one of these BS offside calls
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Did anyone honestly expect this?
Yes. I think I said earlier in the thread, or on another thread, before it came in, that var would mean goals being ruled out on marginal decisions that fans wouldn't like. People are moaning that the Grealish one is only 1mm offside. So offside then! What's the problem? The decision is right.My argument was always that getting the right decisions would not make the game better, and in fact would make it worse. And I was ridiculed. Now people are basically saying "we didn't expect it to be this accurate".
Adam B said:
I don’t really care on the impact on my team as it will be minimal but I don’t want to see a Norwich or Watford get relegated due to one of these BS offside calls
You won't. The 3 teams that get relegated will do so because over 38 games, they were the worst 3 teams in the division. Just like it was pre var. No team ever got relegated on one bad decision. The may have lost the last game of the season and gone down, due to a bad decision. But no doubt they got a few bad decisions go their way in other games that gave them points they shouldn't have had going into the last game. TwigtheWonderkid said:
Yes. I think I said earlier in the thread, or on another thread, before it came in, that var would mean goals being ruled out on marginal decisions that fans wouldn't like. People are moaning that the Grealish one is only 1mm offside. So offside then! What's the problem? The decision is right.
My argument was always that getting the right decisions would not make the game better, and in fact would make it worse. And I was ridiculed. Now people are basically saying "we didn't expect it to be this accurate".
Looking at just the first page of this thread there are probably 2 out of 15 posters on that page who were happy to see it. One of them highlighted the “clear and obvious” in their support of it, so I can pretty much guarantee they’re against it now. I don’t think many were in favour of it at all. My argument was always that getting the right decisions would not make the game better, and in fact would make it worse. And I was ridiculed. Now people are basically saying "we didn't expect it to be this accurate".
TwigtheWonderkid said:
You won't. The 3 teams that get relegated will do so because over 38 games, they were the worst 3 teams in the division. Just like it was pre var. No team ever got relegated on one bad decision. The may have lost the last game of the season and gone down, due to a bad decision. But no doubt they got a few bad decisions go their way in other games that gave them points they shouldn't have had going into the last game.
I cant help but think of Bolton in 1997/98 who were relegated on goal difference from Everton. Earlier in the season Everton took a point away from The Reebok after the ref missed a clear goal that was “cleared” long after the ball had crossed the line. You could argue there were 30 odd more games for Bolton to save themselves and there were, but the same applies to Everton who stayed up exclusively on the back of that mistake. TwigtheWonderkid said:
You won't. The 3 teams that get relegated will do so because over 38 games, they were the worst 3 teams in the division. Just like it was pre var. No team ever got relegated on one bad decision. The may have lost the last game of the season and gone down, due to a bad decision. But no doubt they got a few bad decisions go their way in other games that gave them points they shouldn't have had going into the last game.
So who is going to complain about changing VAR mid-season, which was the real point of my reply to Keoparakolo ?TwigtheWonderkid said:
. People are moaning that the Grealish one is only 1mm offside. So offside then! What's the problem? The decision is right..
But Burnley cleared the attack and then had another touch, before the ball was eventually won back by Villa and crossed in which led to the goal. Surely they should consider the previous attacking “play” over as soon as the defending side kick it clear?Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff