Brian Clough - best manager to ever manage in England?

[DukeDickson]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

DukeDickson said:

Probably, well definitely, controversial, but Jose doesn't seem to have done a terrible lot since moderately wealthy Porto when times are tough, the squad is a bit average and the money isn't there, for example.

Inter Milan? He won the CL for the first time in 50 years, with a squad that Rafa nearly got relegated with the following season.

Back to back PL wins for Chelsea, first in 50 years.

So a bit like the post Allardyce effect? Said slightly mischievously
Afraid I'm not a Jose believer, which you might be. A rich man's Sam IMHO. I also know quite a few long time MU fans & not many are all that impressed. It is a poisoned chalice, but the real ones will accept good if not smashing everything football, which they definitely aren't getting at the moment.


As for Rafa, as you mentioned him (though that was in the back of my mind, though not as a greatest, more as a good example), the man somehow managed to win La Liga with Mista (mistake on autocorrect :hehe/ up front, with Valencia in bucket loads of debt, somehow, by accident or design, gave Traore a CL winners medal (amongst others) and got a dismal Newcastle squad to mid-table, even with the Ashley influence.


Football is always about opinions, but for me, I will always have more admiration for someone who takes ordinary or maybe even total carp and makes them something they are not, rather than someone who is given every tool to shine a potential diamond, rather than try and make a glittery st look like one.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

DukeDickson said:

Football is always about opinions, but for me, I will always have more admiration for someone who takes ordinary or maybe even total carp and makes them something they are not,

So Mourinho then, at Porto and then Inter. Inter winning the CL one step down from Leicester winning the Prem. No one seriously gave them a hope in hell.

[bad company]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

DukeDickson said:

Football is always about opinions, but for me, I will always have more admiration for someone who takes ordinary or maybe even total carp and makes them something they are not,

So Mourinho then, at Porto and then Inter. Inter winning the CL one step down from Leicester winning the Prem. No one seriously gave them a hope in hell.

Brian Clough. Derby County & Notts Forest
Bill Sankley. Liverpool
Matt Busby. Man U
Alf Ramsey. Ipswich