The Official England Thread-The Team We All Support [Vol 3]
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LotusOmega375D said:
Southgate fits the FA mould.
The last time they picked a permanent manager who had actually won the league in England was Don Revie, way back in 1974!
Since then, we have had Ron Greenwood, Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Terry Venables, Glenn Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Sven Goran Eriksson, Steve McLaren, Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce and Gareth Southgate. Not a single English top flight championship between them as manager before or since they were hired by the FA.
I’m not saying a title winning manager automatically equals a great international manager, but to have not even appointed a single one after nigh on 50 years is quite incredible. To win the English top division usually requires a manager with a true winning mentality, but who might not be the easiest person to employ. Therefore the FA has steered clear of such potential managerial candidates.
How many genuine top class managers are international football managers? The only big names I can think of only end up as international managers when they are past their best before. The last time they picked a permanent manager who had actually won the league in England was Don Revie, way back in 1974!
Since then, we have had Ron Greenwood, Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Terry Venables, Glenn Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Sven Goran Eriksson, Steve McLaren, Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce and Gareth Southgate. Not a single English top flight championship between them as manager before or since they were hired by the FA.
I’m not saying a title winning manager automatically equals a great international manager, but to have not even appointed a single one after nigh on 50 years is quite incredible. To win the English top division usually requires a manager with a true winning mentality, but who might not be the easiest person to employ. Therefore the FA has steered clear of such potential managerial candidates.
The FA doesn't pay £15-20m per year to get the managers winning the EPL. The managers winning the EPL and challenging in Europe aren't going to give that up to manage England.
Argentina won the WC with a manager that had only managed the U20s before.
Edited by Driver101 on Sunday 26th March 13:07
LotusOmega375D said:
Since then, we have had Ron Greenwood, Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Terry Venables, Glenn Hoddle, Kevin Keegan, Sven Goran Eriksson, Steve McLaren, Fabio Capello, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce and Gareth Southgate. Not a single English top flight championship between them as manager before or since they were hired by the FA.
To be fair Capello and, to a lesser extent, Eriksson both had a track record of of achievement at club level.I'm generally a fan of Southgate, not least because I can't see a good English alternative (though apparently the FA have a succession plan in place). He's done an excellent job in many ways since he took over after the Hodgson debacle. He just lacks that crucial 10% that you need to win tournaments.
When Scott Parker was sacked by Club Bruges after losing 5-1 to Benfica the BBC included a line that he was the first English manager to lose a CL game by 4 goals.
I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Driver101 said:
When Scott Parker was sacked by Club Bruges after losing 5-1 to Benfica the BBC included a line that he was the first English manager to lose a CL game by 4 goals.
I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Blimey. That's a depressing record.I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Ok, we'll ignore the big evidence and we'll focus on the small evidence.
What was definitely being influenced were the smaller decisions, all the 50/50s went in the home teams favour, every moment you could see the ref struggling to make a call as he wasn't sure, gave to the home team. This is much more likely to show bias, and it certainly did in the game.
So your misplaced sarcasm aside, yes it is important to look at it all, not focus on one or two incidents.
coldel said:
All evidence is ermmmm, evidence. I think the penalty decision was a hard one to give and even watching on TV was hard to see at full speed. Which is why I wouldn't rely on that.
Yes, all evidence is evidence. But there's the smoking gun evidence, and there's the evidence that Mrs Miggins thought she saw you in the vicinity of the crime scene. So not all evidence is equal. As for the penalty, you say it was hard to give, and having watched the replay on the screen, he was still at liberty not to give it. He could have argued that the arm wasn't in an unnatural position given he was jumping backwards for the header. But he gave it. It was the biggest call in the game, and it went our way.
Slowboathome said:
Driver101 said:
When Scott Parker was sacked by Club Bruges after losing 5-1 to Benfica the BBC included a line that he was the first English manager to lose a CL game by 4 goals.
I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Blimey. That's a depressing record.I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Killer2005 said:
Slowboathome said:
Driver101 said:
When Scott Parker was sacked by Club Bruges after losing 5-1 to Benfica the BBC included a line that he was the first English manager to lose a CL game by 4 goals.
I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Blimey. That's a depressing record.I was surprised just how few other English managers had CL experience. Half of them were fortunate to get CL experience rather than being top managers. Howard Wilkinson, Ray Harford, Sir Bobby Robson, Harry Redknapp, Gary Neville, Craig Shakespeare, Frank Lampard and Graham Potter.
No English manager has ever won the EPL or CL.
It is nearly 40 years since an English manager won the EC. It is 26 years since Bobby Robson won the CWC.
It does seem strange how few English managers get to the top.
Something something negative Southgate something something why did he pick Maguire something something terrible team selection something something poor half time team talk something something waited too long for substitutions something something Kane should have been in the box more something something English players cheating like Jonny Foreigner something something...
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