Ian Wright says criticism of Raheem Sterling is racist

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Davos123 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.

Yes, it's precisely because of racism that the latter two are held up and the former given st. Black men are allowed to be public figures if they act in a certain way but if they behave precisely the same as the vast majority of white sports stars, they get st for it whilst white people don't.

But plenty of white sports stars are constantly criticised by the press and despised by the public. I recall the days when Seb Coe and Steve Ovett dominated the running scene. Coe was always well liked and Ovett was not. Ovett's crime, not really wanting to be a public figure or talk to the press.

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

But plenty of white sports stars are constantly criticised by the press and despised by the public. I recall the days when Seb Coe and Steve Ovett dominated the running scene. Coe was always well liked and Ovett was not. Ovett's crime, not really wanting to be a public figure or talk to the press.

I'm too young to remember that but I'm not saying white athletes can't get unfair treatment too. When Ovett was running, though black athletes were having bananas thrown at them by UK crowds.

[jules_s]

Talksport last night was a bit depressing for me (apologies if mentioned earlier)

Apparently if anybody calls a 'black' player 'lazy' that's racist too

[Wacky Racer]

Things are getting better for black players, no doubt about it. (That's not to say it's by any means perfect)


I've been watching Manchester City since 1961. In 1964/5 they signed their first ever coloured player Stan Horne. Stan was the first black player in the history of his first three teams - Aston Villa, Manchester City and Fulham.

At that time there were probably no more than five or six coloured players in the whole of the English first and second divisions.


Now I would say it's getting on for 40% (Or more)

btw, I bumped into Stan three or four years ago, it was great to see him fit and well.

[Fast and Spurious]

Pothole said:

Ascayman said:

I have also seen it more and more in day to day life, Just last week i was queuing for a tube and a black lady was blocking the door a big white guy barged her out the way and then as the doors were closing spat right in her face, it was unbelievable! in 20 years of commuting i ave never seen that.

I hope you at least reported the incident.

Yes, but nothing I've read makes it racist.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Davos123 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

But plenty of white sports stars are constantly criticised by the press and despised by the public. I recall the days when Seb Coe and Steve Ovett dominated the running scene. Coe was always well liked and Ovett was not. Ovett's crime, not really wanting to be a public figure or talk to the press.

I'm too young to remember that but I'm not saying white athletes can't get unfair treatment too. When Ovett was running, though black athletes were having bananas thrown at them by UK crowds.

I think the athletics crowd were a bit more sensible. But certainly, that was an issue in football which one hopes (despite what happened at Spurs the other week) is largely in the past.

[Melchett1905]

Davos123 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.

Yes, it's precisely because of racism that the latter two are held up and the former given st. Black men are allowed to be public figures if they act in a certain way but if they behave precisely the same as the vast majority of white sports stars, they get st for it whilst white people don't. Anthony Joshua not trash talking his opponents is newsworthy because he's black and his behaviour surprises racists.

Disagree here. I've seen white players such as Rooney get a lot of st for his behavior or Jack Grealish. But they don't have the colour of their skin to make an example about how unfairly they've been treated.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

wjb said:

Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.

He's not right. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that when a player is called lazy, he's lazy in comparison to other players, not lazy in comparison to the general public. The same as when we call a player useless. Of course he's not useless, compared to you or me, but useless compared to other footballers.

Can I ask, if you are watching Pogba on one of his off days, and he appears to be casually jogging around midfield and not putting in a shift, what adjectives can a fan use without opening themselves up to an accusation of racism.

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TwigtheWonderkid said:

wjb said:

Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.

He's not right. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that when a player is called lazy, he's lazy in comparison to other players, not lazy in comparison to the general public. The same as when we call a player useless. Of course he's not useless, compared to you or me, but useless compared to other footballers.

Can I ask, if you are watching Pogba on one of his off days, and he appears to be casually jogging around midfield and not putting in a shift, what adjectives can a fan use without opening themselves up to an accusation of racism.

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

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Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

[wjb]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

wjb said:

Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.

He's not right. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that when a player is called lazy, he's lazy in comparison to other players, not lazy in comparison to the general public. The same as when we call a player useless. Of course he's not useless, compared to you or me, but useless compared to other footballers.

Can I ask, if you are watching Pogba on one of his off days, and he appears to be casually jogging around midfield and not putting in a shift, what adjectives can a fan use without opening themselves up to an accusation of racism.

When was the last time you heard a white english player being described as lazy? I can't think of one.

I've underlined a bit of your quote. It's not obvious to the racists, or maybe it is, and they don't care and purposely feed the racial stereotypes that have been around for years and years.

Remember what Ron Atkinson called Marcel Desailly? Ignoring the N word thats the stereotype I'm talking about.

Those views are spread to kids, friends, family, work colleagues etc. Like I said before, it hasn't gone away, in fact I see more 'covert' racism on this forum than anywhere else.

Regarding Pogba. If he's not tracking back, or putting a shift in, then just say that.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

No. They are supposed to illustrate that because a player comes in for criticism, it may be nothing to do with their colour. And calling a black player "lazy" is not a racial slur.

There are still some real racists around, without the need to label people like me, who have called Pogba lazy, as racists. Pogba is lazy. He seems to stroll around midfield without a care in the world, in a struggling team, when we've seen him playing for France and being a driving force.

Eden Hazard drives me crackers sometimes with his laziness too. Like he's too talented to bother to win the ball back that he's just lost. He just shrugs his shoulders and leaves Kante to pick up the pieces and win it back again.

[Melchett1905]

wjb said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

wjb said:

Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.

He's not right. It's obvious to anyone with half a brain that when a player is called lazy, he's lazy in comparison to other players, not lazy in comparison to the general public. The same as when we call a player useless. Of course he's not useless, compared to you or me, but useless compared to other footballers.

Can I ask, if you are watching Pogba on one of his off days, and he appears to be casually jogging around midfield and not putting in a shift, what adjectives can a fan use without opening themselves up to an accusation of racism.

Remember what Ron Atkinson called Marcel Desailly? Ignoring the N word thats the stereotype I'm talking about.

I remember that. ITV sacked Ron for his 'racism' didn't they? BBC have re-employed Trevor Sinclair.

[Melchett1905]

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

No. IMO you're coming up with examples such as 'lazy' being a racist term if used on a black player and fueling more race baiting. We're just pointing out that white players have been labelled as lazy too. We're not saying black players aren't subjected to racism though.

[Melchett1905]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

No. They are supposed to illustrate that because a player comes in for criticism, it may be nothing to do with their colour. And calling a black player "lazy" is not a racial slur.

There are still some real racists around, without the need to label people like me, who have called Pogba lazy, as racists. Pogba is lazy. He seems to stroll around midfield without a care in the world, in a struggling team, when we've seen him playing for France and being a driving force.

Eden Hazard drives me crackers sometimes with his laziness too. Like he's too talented to bother to win the ball back that he's just lost. He just shrugs his shoulders and leaves Kante to pick up the pieces and win it back again.

I've called Hazard lazy, when it comes to tracking back and I've called Didier lazy at times too. In today's world one is acceptable and one isn't. Bizarre.

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Melchett1905 said:

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

No. IMO you're coming up with examples such as 'lazy' being a racist term if used on a black player and fueling more race baiting. We're just pointing out that white players have been labelled as lazy too. We're not saying black players aren't subjected to racism though.

Where have I said that?

[Melchett1905]

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Alpinestars said:

Melchett1905 said:

Berbatov was accused all the the time of being 'lazy'.

Are all these examples you and twig are coming up with supposed to prove Sterling and others aren’t being subjected to racism?

No. IMO you're coming up with examples such as 'lazy' being a racist term if used on a black player and fueling more race baiting. We're just pointing out that white players have been labelled as lazy too. We're not saying black players aren't subjected to racism though.

Where have I said that?

You questioned why I was coming up with examples of Berbatov being lazy. I was using it as an example that white players are subjected to this criticism too. Raheem or other black players may well be subjected to racism, but imo, being labelled 'lazy' certainly isn't one.