Ian Wright says criticism of Raheem Sterling is racist
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The thing is football clubs could go a long way to reducing many of these issues by just making it 'illegal' to stand up and rush down at players. I doubt people would be so aggressive if they were sitting down.
Standards of behaviour are bad in general, but at football stadiums they are just on a different level and I don't get it. As someone who has to endure the wrath of crowds every week as a referee/lino (although not racist), it really is out of control. The number of times I've wanted to jump in the crowd and start windmilling as someone wishes my daughter raped or my wife dead over a f
king throw in decision has depressed me more and more.
I get passion and wanting your team to win, but these sorts of people should be rooted out and made examples of. There's no excuse for racist behavour, it's just a skin colour ffs, but it goes much deeper as the abuse is not limited to just race. Something needs to change.
Standards of behaviour are bad in general, but at football stadiums they are just on a different level and I don't get it. As someone who has to endure the wrath of crowds every week as a referee/lino (although not racist), it really is out of control. The number of times I've wanted to jump in the crowd and start windmilling as someone wishes my daughter raped or my wife dead over a f
king throw in decision has depressed me more and more.I get passion and wanting your team to win, but these sorts of people should be rooted out and made examples of. There's no excuse for racist behavour, it's just a skin colour ffs, but it goes much deeper as the abuse is not limited to just race. Something needs to change.
I've been to loads of Chelsea games and not once heard racist abuse either in or outside the ground.
However, it's clear from incidents in the last few years that we still have a problem and it is something I know the club are trying to tackle head on. Maybe half the problem is the unwillingness of other people to report racism. After all, if it is really so bad it will be heard by someone every week so why aren't they doing something about it too ? - the club can only manage what is put in front of them. It really is up to the 99.9% of decent supporters to ensure that 0.1% don't have a voice.
However, it's clear from incidents in the last few years that we still have a problem and it is something I know the club are trying to tackle head on. Maybe half the problem is the unwillingness of other people to report racism. After all, if it is really so bad it will be heard by someone every week so why aren't they doing something about it too ? - the club can only manage what is put in front of them. It really is up to the 99.9% of decent supporters to ensure that 0.1% don't have a voice.
jcremonini said:
I've been to loads of Chelsea games and not once heard racist abuse either in or outside the ground.
However, it's clear from incidents in the last few years that we still have a problem and it is something I know the club are trying to tackle head on. Maybe half the problem is the unwillingness of other people to report racism. After all, if it is really so bad it will be heard by someone every week so why aren't they doing something about it too ? - the club can only manage what is put in front of them. It really is up to the 99.9% of decent supporters to ensure that 0.1% don't have a voice.
I agree that peer pressure is the best way to control such things. Clubs obviously have to take some responsibility too, by ensuring they stamp down on it. However, it's clear from incidents in the last few years that we still have a problem and it is something I know the club are trying to tackle head on. Maybe half the problem is the unwillingness of other people to report racism. After all, if it is really so bad it will be heard by someone every week so why aren't they doing something about it too ? - the club can only manage what is put in front of them. It really is up to the 99.9% of decent supporters to ensure that 0.1% don't have a voice.
Alpinestars said:
wjb said:
Missing the point a bit guys, it's not the racist fans that was being discussed tonight.
This is worth a watch if you didn't see it earlier.
https://youtu.be/YF3jTYjXEe8
It’s not missing the point at all. It’s about racism directed towards Sterling. Of course the press has a role to play in it, and it should be discussed as an issue. But these things should not manifest themselves in the way they did. My observation is that I see Chelsea, rightly or wrongly, as a problem. And there’s a tangible difference in the “athmosphere” at Stamford Bridge, versus anywhere else in London. They have been involved in a number of high profile incidents, including with their players. That’s not to say it doesn’t exist at other clubs, but I can hand on heart say I’ve never heard anything like that low life scum was shouting at Sterling from a United fan. Not because we don’t have racist fans, but because I think they’d get called out, and we know that. This is worth a watch if you didn't see it earlier.
https://youtu.be/YF3jTYjXEe8
Neville started touching on it, there’s a problem in society that’s simmering, and in some cases boiling over, with anger being vented at people who are different. I think some people feel more empowered to be explicitly racist at the moment - where they’ve probably hidden those views in the past. It’s become more acceptable to be explicitly racist over the last couple of years, no doubt linked to political events, and media reporting. It’s good that it’s being discussed, and John Barnes is also worth listening to.
https://youtu.be/b3oojs_JmKw
Raheem, sometimes doesn't help himself with the gun tattoo, laughing gas and he's also been vilified a lot from the media darlings that are Liverpool and their fans (and other fans) for his big money move to City.
I go to Chelsea regularly and don't often see too many problems. The main problem is the anti-Semitic chanting which the club have done a lot to tackle. I also go to some away games where we're always greeted with the 'Chelsea rent boys' song. This isn't acceptable but most the media make nothing of this. The only media person I hear bemoaning it is Dan Levene.
Melchett1905 said:
I'm not denying there isn't a problem and I suppose it's more at young English players than anything else. Everybody loves N'Golo Kante. Why? That smile, humility, humble on and off the pitch.
Raheem, sometimes doesn't help himself with the gun tattoo, laughing gas and he's also been vilified a lot from the media darlings that are Liverpool and their fans (and other fans) for his big money move to City.
I go to Chelsea regularly and don't often see too many problems. The main problem is the anti-Semitic chanting which the club have done a lot to tackle. I also go to some away games where we're always greeted with the 'Chelsea rent boys' song. This isn't acceptable but most the media make nothing of this. The only media person I hear bemoaning it is Dan Levene.
I’m sure you’re not condoning the Sterling abuse....Raheem, sometimes doesn't help himself with the gun tattoo, laughing gas and he's also been vilified a lot from the media darlings that are Liverpool and their fans (and other fans) for his big money move to City.
I go to Chelsea regularly and don't often see too many problems. The main problem is the anti-Semitic chanting which the club have done a lot to tackle. I also go to some away games where we're always greeted with the 'Chelsea rent boys' song. This isn't acceptable but most the media make nothing of this. The only media person I hear bemoaning it is Dan Levene.
A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
Alpinestars said:
wjb said:
Missing the point a bit guys, it's not the racist fans that was being discussed tonight.
This is worth a watch if you didn't see it earlier.
https://youtu.be/YF3jTYjXEe8
It’s not missing the point at all. It’s about racism directed towards Sterling. Of course the press has a role to play in it, and it should be discussed as an issue. But these things should not manifest themselves in the way they did. My observation is that I see Chelsea, rightly or wrongly, as a problem. And there’s a tangible difference in the “athmosphere” at Stamford Bridge, versus anywhere else in London. They have been involved in a number of high profile incidents, including with their players. That’s not to say it doesn’t exist at other clubs, but I can hand on heart say I’ve never heard anything like that low life scum was shouting at Sterling from a United fan. Not because we don’t have racist fans, but because I think they’d get called out, and we know that. This is worth a watch if you didn't see it earlier.
https://youtu.be/YF3jTYjXEe8
Neville started touching on it, there’s a problem in society that’s simmering, and in some cases boiling over, with anger being vented at people who are different. I think some people feel more empowered to be explicitly racist at the moment - where they’ve probably hidden those views in the past. It’s become more acceptable to be explicitly racist over the last couple of years, no doubt linked to political events, and media reporting. It’s good that it’s being discussed, and John Barnes is also worth listening to.
https://youtu.be/b3oojs_JmKw
I'd love to see it die out with this next generation, for my sons sake, I hope it does, but I doubt it. Unfortunately the hate gets passed down from generation to generation.
Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.
Lewis Hamilton is arguably one of the best F1 drivers Britain's ever seen, would he have his own thread on PH with 1000's of snide comments if he was white with blond hair and blue eyes?
You see it on here all the time, people can't write "the n word" or similar because they'll get banned, so they write "promising footballer" instead. Then they'll deny being racist, arguing that the typical words society associates with racism aren't there.
I saw someone complaining on here about a mixed race family on a TV advert, he/she was angry that it was "being rammed down their throat" imagine having that sort of hate?
Mini rant over
Alpinestars said:
I’m sure you’re not condoning the Sterling abuse....
A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
It would seem from that Twitter link that The Sun, in particular, have an agenda with Raheem Sterling. I doubt it is racist, it's more like "he's a highly paid player who's been rubbish in an England shirt; let's target him 'cos it'll sell more papers...."A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
Do black players get "a different level of abuse"? Yes, but only from a small minority of racist bigots who are, well, just bigots.
The majority of fans, indeed of society, really do not care about a player's skin colour - and nor do journalists in the media. I listen to 5 Live, Talk Sport and Radio Solent all the time and I have never, ever, heard any remotely racist comments by any presenter, commentator or pundit. Same applies to television and broadsheet newspapers. Honestly, do you really think that Gary Lineker, Henry Winter or Chris Sutton (say) are racist in any way?
Brave Fart said:
Alpinestars said:
I’m sure you’re not condoning the Sterling abuse....
A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
It would seem from that Twitter link that The Sun, in particular, have an agenda with Raheem Sterling. I doubt it is racist, it's more like "he's a highly paid player who's been rubbish in an England shirt; let's target him 'cos it'll sell more papers...."A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
Do black players get "a different level of abuse"? Yes, but only from a small minority of racist bigots who are, well, just bigots.
People make excuses about how Sterling "brings it on himself" they said the same about Ashley Cole, it's not the case.
wjb said:
Brave Fart said:
Alpinestars said:
I’m sure you’re not condoning the Sterling abuse....
A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
It would seem from that Twitter link that The Sun, in particular, have an agenda with Raheem Sterling. I doubt it is racist, it's more like "he's a highly paid player who's been rubbish in an England shirt; let's target him 'cos it'll sell more papers...."A lot of players “don’t help themselves”, but there’s a different level of abuse and reporting that black players are subject to.
Do black players get "a different level of abuse"? Yes, but only from a small minority of racist bigots who are, well, just bigots.
People make excuses about how Sterling "brings it on himself" they said the same about Ashley Cole, it's not the case.
Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
wjb said:
Have you considered that he's targeted by the media because he's black, and it will sell more papers, (or get more clicks) from the people who love to read negative non-stories about successful black people?
Do you believe there is sufficient number of racist in the UK that a newspapers profits will increase by running a negative story on a black player opposed to a white one?The numbers don't lie, Raheem Sterling has been one of the most effective footballers in world football for a number of years, absolutely top drawer, look at his goals and assist stats, this season he's virtually second to none.
So if he's being criticised for his ability on the pitch it's either moronic partisan nonsense or motivated by something else.
So if he's being criticised for his ability on the pitch it's either moronic partisan nonsense or motivated by something else.
Type R Tom said:
wjb said:
Have you considered that he's targeted by the media because he's black, and it will sell more papers, (or get more clicks) from the people who love to read negative non-stories about successful black people?
Do you believe there is sufficient number of racist in the UK that a newspapers profits will increase by running a negative story on a black player opposed to a white one?London424 said:
I'd be willing to bet that if you looked back on Rooney or Beckham stories it would be similar. Famous people sell papers. That's why no one cares about the less high profile ones.
Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Similar to what Neville was saying, Laura Woods made a good point this morning (while trying not to get shouted down by Alan Brazil) in that although Rooney and Beckham got slagged off in the media, they had the opportunity to turn it around and be the golden boy again, Raheem hasn't had that opportunity and is likely never to get a chance to be that hero to England fans.Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Believe me, it's a massive issue in the Industry, no matter how many people want to say that it isn't, it is.
wjb said:
London424 said:
I'd be willing to bet that if you looked back on Rooney or Beckham stories it would be similar. Famous people sell papers. That's why no one cares about the less high profile ones.
Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Similar to what Neville was saying, Laura Woods made a good point this morning (while trying not to get shouted down by Alan Brazil) in that although Rooney and Beckham got slagged off in the media, they had the opportunity to turn it around and be the golden boy again, Raheem hasn't had that opportunity and is likely never to get a chance to be that hero to England fans.Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Believe me, it's a massive issue in the Industry, no matter how many people want to say that it isn't, it is.
Ascayman said:
I have also seen it more and more in day to day life, Just last week i was queuing for a tube and a black lady was blocking the door a big white guy barged her out the way and then as the doors were closing spat right in her face, it was unbelievable! in 20 years of commuting i ave never seen that.
I hope you at least reported the incident.London424 said:
wjb said:
London424 said:
I'd be willing to bet that if you looked back on Rooney or Beckham stories it would be similar. Famous people sell papers. That's why no one cares about the less high profile ones.
Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Similar to what Neville was saying, Laura Woods made a good point this morning (while trying not to get shouted down by Alan Brazil) in that although Rooney and Beckham got slagged off in the media, they had the opportunity to turn it around and be the golden boy again, Raheem hasn't had that opportunity and is likely never to get a chance to be that hero to England fans.Pogba = stories = Clicks. Rooney = stories = Clicks.
I've no doubt that there is plenty of racism out there and at football grounds, but don't think it's this massive issue in the industry.
I saw that link from TS on Twitter yesterday and made the comment that they should be naming and shaming their colleagues. If they all now believe that 'the media' is racist, they should be publicly calling out their colleagues and rivals at other papers so it can be eradicated. Of course that won't happen.
Believe me, it's a massive issue in the Industry, no matter how many people want to say that it isn't, it is.
yellowjack said:
But I have watched quite a few games in Shed Upper, and Shed Lower at Stamford Bridge, and if you were to compare it unfavourably with Mos Eisley space port you'd be doing it too great a service. It truly is a "wretched hive of scum and villainy", and racism is quite openly at home there among the fat Mockneys with body odour issues. Oops! Am I being "working class football fan-ist" now? I don't really care. What is truly bizarre is the fact that there are still racists bothering to go to football matches when, at the highest level of the game, and even down into non-league football, there are some extremely talented non-white players and in many cases they form a much larger proportion of their team's squad than they do as a proportion of the wider population. Surely the bigots should all be off watching field Hockey or Polo, where the representation of non-white faces is far lower as a proportion of participants? Most ridiculous of all, I find, is the racist abuse of black players on the opposing team when c.50% of your own team is the same colour. It's utterly bonkers, really.
This is where racism 'just' (to them) comes under general abuse, some fans are more than happy having Black players on their side helping them win, but the fans will also try and help in any way to get their team to win. So they hurl abuse/projectiles at the players to rile them, they can be ginger/tubby/lanky/black if it will upset them it will used against them. Fans used to pelt team buses with projectiles to smash windows and generally intimidate teams before they've even got changed! It's all tribal/clan like (a massive reason for some to be a committed 'fan') the football can almost be secondary! Racism is definitely a problem but let's also remember that people, regardless of their colour, are sometimes just not very likable, or are likable.
Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.
Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Racism is definitely a problem but let's also remember that people, regardless of their colour, are sometimes just not very likable, or are likable.
Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.
I kinda made that point further up. There probably isn't a more popular player in the Premier League than N'Golo. Lewis Hamilton and Raheem Stirling v Anthony Joshua and N'Golo Kante. 4 young, rich, successful black men, 2 or whom are unpopular and 2 that are liked.
wjb said:
Sorry, "missing the point" was wrong, but what I'm trying to say is that It's not just the chelsea fan from Saturday, or the banana at the Emirates. Racism hasn't gone away, it's still ingrained in our society.
I'd love to see it die out with this next generation, for my sons sake, I hope it does, but I doubt it. Unfortunately the hate gets passed down from generation to generation.
Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.
Lewis Hamilton is arguably one of the best F1 drivers Britain's ever seen, would he have his own thread on PH with 1000's of snide comments if he was white with blond hair and blue eyes?
You see it on here all the time, people can't write "the n word" or similar because they'll get banned, so they write "promising footballer" instead. Then they'll deny being racist, arguing that the typical words society associates with racism aren't there.
I saw someone complaining on here about a mixed race family on a TV advert, he/she was angry that it was "being rammed down their throat" imagine having that sort of hate?
Mini rant over
Sounds like we’re in total agreement. I'd love to see it die out with this next generation, for my sons sake, I hope it does, but I doubt it. Unfortunately the hate gets passed down from generation to generation.
Neville made points that I've said for years about black players, as did Durham on the radio. Talking about people in the media who single out and label Lukaku and Pogba as "lazy", are feeding racist stereotypes, he's right, because if he was genuinely lazy he'd be at home playing football on PlayStation not at Old Trafford.
Lewis Hamilton is arguably one of the best F1 drivers Britain's ever seen, would he have his own thread on PH with 1000's of snide comments if he was white with blond hair and blue eyes?
You see it on here all the time, people can't write "the n word" or similar because they'll get banned, so they write "promising footballer" instead. Then they'll deny being racist, arguing that the typical words society associates with racism aren't there.
I saw someone complaining on here about a mixed race family on a TV advert, he/she was angry that it was "being rammed down their throat" imagine having that sort of hate?
Mini rant over
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