The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

[m3sye]

Liverpool have kept more clean sheets in the Premier League since his debut for the club than any other.

In 31 games across the Champions League, Premier League and on international duty, not a single player has dribbled past Virgil van Dijk this season.

That's insane. :

Remember when we paid 75m and all the st we got, people would pay 150m for him now

[Pommy]

m3sye said:

Liverpool have kept more clean sheets in the Premier League since his debut for the club than any other.

In 31 games across the Champions League, Premier League and on international duty, not a single player has dribbled past Virgil van Dijk this season.

That's insane. :

Remember when we paid 75m and all the st we got, people would pay 150m for him now

If we sold him and Andy R right now we’d make a bigger profit off of VVD. Crazy.

[Adam B]

m3sye said:

Apart from palace and Leicester

We have been cruising through ours apart from yesterday, that was always going to be a tight game, selective memory a bit there Adam look at our last 8 prem games and look at Citys.

We have scored more than them and have a better goal difference, remove the cup memories out of your mind

Yeah maybe, of course I watch all our games behind the sofa chewing my nails off whereas watch a City game with a very different viewpoint.

I am not considering the FA cup game at all, it was a different side and different situation

[DeejRC]

Adam B said:

Who on earth starts the season thinking we can’t do it? I imagine fans of all the top 4 or 5 top clubs think they can do it. I certainly think we can do it every season though never, in recent years, think we WILL do it, ie that we should be favourites.

Most on here including me thought City were favourites but we had a chance, now I am 50/50.

Edited by Adam B on Sunday 13th January 01:45

Really? Ive started pretty much ever season for the last 20yrs largely certain we couldnt and wouldnt win the league that season. We haven't had the squad or even the 1st team for it.

The start of this season was different. We already had the best attack in Europe and a midfield that was able to go toe to toe with anybody else. Added to that were 2 class resources in Fab and Nab. VvD was already regarded as the best defender in Europe - by a country bloody mile - by the end of last season and after the CL Final there was only one call to make and that was to grab Ally at estimates of 60-80m. After the Roma game there was loads of talk of her was the most talked about keeper in Europe. The next "Buffon/Iker/De Gea" etc etc.

LFC therefore, for the first time in 20 yrs (probably more like 25) started the season with an actual squad that should absolutely have been expected to challenge for both the Prem and CL.

As Guv will tell you, or anybody else who has seen me commenting in the cricket or rugby threads - I am an incredibly dull sports fan. I have no interest in champagne sport, attack attack attack, thrilling entertainment. The only thing that ever matters is winning. The key ingredient in EVERY sport when it comes to winning a Championship is first not losing. Not out scoring the other bds but ensuring they score less than you - a very different thing. Put your Defence in place and you can work off that and you will never be that far off the pace...when you get to add an effective midfield and a terrifying attack on top of that - then it doesn't matter who else is in the league, but you should automatically be regarding yourself as viable Champions. Not wishing or dreaming about it, but that you have the system and resources in place to be there.

Attritional defence wins, everybody else just decides by how much.

[DeejRC]

m3sye said:

Liverpool have kept more clean sheets in the Premier League since his debut for the club than any other.

In 31 games across the Champions League, Premier League and on international duty, not a single player has dribbled past Virgil van Dijk this season.

That's insane. :

Remember when we paid 75m and all the st we got, people would pay 150m for him now

Nobody in football criticised paying 75m for VvD, he was widely hailed as probably the best central defender around and in the new market that was the going rate. The complaints were at the silly money for players now since PSG went loopy.
Whingeing by Spurs and Chelsea fans in here doesn't count.

[wjb]

curlie467 said:

I wouldn't have PC back and wasn't that bothered when he went.
I think he would unbalance us and cost a decent chance of a title.

Flame away.

Ok I'll bite.

Firstly, he'd walk into our team Tomorrow

Secondly if we're up against a team who we can't break down despite having 70/80% possession, are you saying that you wouldn't want to bring on Coutinho?

[ChocolateFrog]

wjb said:

curlie467 said:

I wouldn't have PC back and wasn't that bothered when he went.
I think he would unbalance us and cost a decent chance of a title.

Flame away.

Ok I'll bite.

Firstly, he'd walk into our team Tomorrow

Secondly if we're up against a team who we can't break down despite having 70/80% possession, are you saying that you wouldn't want to bring on Coutinho?

The only issue is he needs carrying defensively, which would upset our biggest asset at the moment. He would undoubtedly add something up front though, that right foot.

[m3sye]

ChocolateFrog said:

The only issue is he needs carrying defensively, which would upset our biggest asset at the moment. He would undoubtedly add something up front though, that right foot.

He doesn't he does equally if not more than shaquri

[wjb]

m3sye said:

He doesn't he does equally if not more than shaquri

Shaq was our Coutinho replacement, he's a very, very good player.

I'm guessing he was bought because he can do 90% of what Phil can do, for 10% of the price, and we'll get away with it more often than not.

[m3sye]

Adam B said:

Yeah maybe, of course I watch all our games behind the sofa chewing my nails off whereas watch a City game with a very different viewpoint.

I am not considering the FA cup game at all, it was a different side and different situation

No maybe about it Adam, we are beating teams convincingly like City are (apart from Brighton which as I said was going to be tight with how they set up)

Last 8 for e.g.

Liverpool
Won 7 lost 1
F22 A5

City
W5 L3
F13 A10

I just find it quiet annoying how everyone still goes on about City ignoring how good we are. By that I mean our own fans (I don't care about others) also the constant doubting of Klopps decisions is massively irritating, we were nearly 30 points behind City last year, nobody expect us to pull that back this year yet we see ourselves 7 points clear as of right now and still we are questioning his picking of players and selling of players like fans know better.

[ferrisbueller]

wjb said:

m3sye said:

He doesn't he does equally if not more than shaquri

Shaq was our Coutinho replacement, he's a very, very good player.

I'm guessing he was bought because he can do 90% of what Phil can do, for 10% of the price, and we'll get away with it more often than not.

If Shaq could do 90 % of what Coutinho can do he a) Wouldn't have been playing for Stoke b) Wouldn't have been so cheap.

70% maybe and then dependent on context - see the Wolves game for instance; he couldn't be arsed. They're different players. I'd have Coutinho back tomorrow but wouldn't think he would be perceived to be value by the transfer committee. We have missed him but that £140m gave us a solidity in defence worth more than his flair up top.

[jammy-git]

m3sye said:

No maybe about it Adam, we are beating teams convincingly like City are (apart from Brighton which as I said was going to be tight with how they set up)

Last 8 for e.g.

Liverpool
Won 7 lost 1
F22 A5

City
W5 L3
F13 A10

I just find it quiet annoying how everyone still goes on about City ignoring how good we are. By that I mean our own fans (I don't care about others) also the constant doubting of Klopps decisions is massively irritating, we were nearly 30 points behind City last year, nobody expect us to pull that back this year yet we see ourselves 7 points clear as of right now and still we are questioning his picking of players and selling of players like fans know better.

It's been tiny margins that see us top of the league. If Salah doesn't get that penalty yesterday and Pickford doesn't gift us the goal in the derby, we're not top.

[ChocolateFrog]

jammy-git said:

m3sye said:

No maybe about it Adam, we are beating teams convincingly like City are (apart from Brighton which as I said was going to be tight with how they set up)

Last 8 for e.g.

Liverpool
Won 7 lost 1
F22 A5

City
W5 L3
F13 A10

I just find it quiet annoying how everyone still goes on about City ignoring how good we are. By that I mean our own fans (I don't care about others) also the constant doubting of Klopps decisions is massively irritating, we were nearly 30 points behind City last year, nobody expect us to pull that back this year yet we see ourselves 7 points clear as of right now and still we are questioning his picking of players and selling of players like fans know better.

It's been tiny margins that see us top of the league. If Salah doesn't get that penalty yesterday and Pickford doesn't gift us the goal in the derby, we're not top.

We've won loads of games by one goal this season, our defence has helped but we've also been lucky, Everton anyone? I'm not trying to be rude Sye but you're are the most blinkered red fanboi on here. You'll probably find a stat to dispute that.

I'll acknowledge our superiority when were 7 points clear with 2 to play and not before.

[Pommy]

ChocolateFrog said:

jammy-git said:

m3sye said:

No maybe about it Adam, we are beating teams convincingly like City are (apart from Brighton which as I said was going to be tight with how they set up)

Last 8 for e.g.

Liverpool
Won 7 lost 1
F22 A5

City
W5 L3
F13 A10

I just find it quiet annoying how everyone still goes on about City ignoring how good we are. By that I mean our own fans (I don't care about others) also the constant doubting of Klopps decisions is massively irritating, we were nearly 30 points behind City last year, nobody expect us to pull that back this year yet we see ourselves 7 points clear as of right now and still we are questioning his picking of players and selling of players like fans know better.

It's been tiny margins that see us top of the league. If Salah doesn't get that penalty yesterday and Pickford doesn't gift us the goal in the derby, we're not top.

We've won loads of games by one goal this season, our defence has helped but we've also been lucky, Everton anyone? I'm not trying to be rude Sye but you're are the most blinkered red fanboi on here. You'll probably find a stat to dispute that.

I'll acknowledge our superiority when were 7 points clear with 2 to play and not before.

We've won 8 of the 21 of 30 games we've won this season by 1 goal.

[NRS]

m3sye said:

I just find it quiet annoying how everyone still goes on about City ignoring how good we are. By that I mean our own fans (I don't care about others) also the constant doubting of Klopps decisions is massively irritating, we were nearly 30 points behind City last year, nobody expect us to pull that back this year yet we see ourselves 7 points clear as of right now and still we are questioning his picking of players and selling of players like fans know better.

Say TAA had a proper injury when he fell. You think it's fine for the team at the top of the league to be playing a teenager whose basically had no experience in the first team? When we already have a midfielder playing in defence due to injuries. You even argued it was good we were out of the FA cup because we didn't have enough depth in the squad. Of course it's great what Klopp is doing. But some decisions are not correct. The only upside of Clyne is money, yet it means we have no experienced stand in there now.

You and me were both arguing we should stick with Rodgers until the end. I think we both said it was fine with Karius near the end of last season, and yet in 1 game he cost us the CL final, despite mostly being good enough after VvD joined us. Guess what, we're wrong and so can the manager be.

[NRS]

Pommy said:

We've won 8 of the 21 of 30 games we've won this season by 1 goal.

Sye?!?!?

[curlie467]

wjb said:

curlie467 said:

I wouldn't have PC back and wasn't that bothered when he went.
I think he would unbalance us and cost a decent chance of a title.

Flame away.

Ok I'll bite.

Firstly, he'd walk into our team Tomorrow

Secondly if we're up against a team who we can't break down despite having 70/80% possession, are you saying that you wouldn't want to bring on Coutinho?

There's something about him that just didn't sit right with me, he frustrated me more than anything.

[m3sye]

jammy-git said:

It's been tiny margins that see us top of the league. If Salah doesn't get that penalty yesterday and Pickford doesn't gift us the goal in the derby, we're not top.

Right ok and that's never happened for City or you just remember ours ?

Every team thought history who has won something has won games with fine margins, that's football...

Edited by m3sye on Sunday 13th January 14:47

[Chris Stott]

Can’t believe anyone wouldn’t have PC back.

He’s a fabulous talent, and would sit perfectly in a 4-2-3-1.

[curlie467]

Chris Stott said:

Can’t believe anyone wouldn’t have PC back.

He’s a fabulous talent, and would sit perfectly in a 4-2-3-1.

Believe it baby it would be ste if we all agreed.