The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

[Dan_1981]

It'll be a challenge but i'm more concerned about playing United on Sunday than BM in a coupe of weeks.

As another stat in the league BM have only failed to score at home once this season - that was in the only game that they've lost to Munchengladbach - 0-3

[jammy-git]

I thought it was a huge missed opportunity lat night. I thought if we were on top of our game we could have scored three or four easily and put the tie to bed and given ourselves a huge lift going into the weekend.

[Adam B]

type-r said:

In Europe, at home, in some situations: 0-0 > 2-1.

How?

Second leg result
Any win for us - through on both
Any draw - through on 2-1 only
1-0 or worse out for both
Lose 2-1 - out on 0-0 evens on 2-1

Edited by Adam B on Wednesday 20th February 09:20

[type-r]

Adam B said:

How?

Second leg result
Any win for us - through on both
Any draw - through on 2-1 only
1-0 or worse out for both

How the game is approached mentally.

2-1 - the away team is more likely to sit back to defend the lead, with the home team really needing to score 1 goal.
0-0 - the home team will be much more weary of conceding - conceding at any point in the match, will require at least 2 goals by the home team.

[TEKNOPUG]

type-r said:

In Europe, at home, in some situations: 0-0 > 2-1.

Please show your workings.

[Dan_1981]

Away goal.

I see the point being made. Can be a right fker.

[TEKNOPUG]

Dan_1981 said:

Away goal.

I see the point being made. Can be a right fker.

Give me an example

[anonymous-user]

I suppose the point is that it is the best score if you are not going to win.

There are no circumstances in which its better than winning.

[type-r]

desolate said:

There are no circumstances in which its better than winning.

Tell that to PSG v Barca. Winning the 1st leg at home doesn't mean you will win the tie.

Edited by type-r on Wednesday 20th February 09:43

[anonymous-user]

type-r said:

Tell that to PSG v Barca.

?

[type-r]

desolate said:

?

Mentally, how do you think PSG and Barca approached the 2nd leg, when PSG were 4-0 up but lost.

The point is, sometimes 0-0 psychologically be a better score than 2-1.

[Chris Stott]

Comfortable with 0-0... BM won't be able to defend as deep as they did last night at home. They'll need to push the FB's on more and this will leave more space for us.

Would still have preferred us to put at least one of our chances away last night.

[LoonyTunes]

TEKNOPUG said:

type-r said:

In Europe, at home, in some situations: 0-0 > 2-1.

Please show your workings.

Drawing 0-0 at home is worse than winning 2-1...I've heard it all now.

[anonymous-user]

LoonyTunes said:

Drawing 0-0 at home is worse than winning 2-1...I've heard it all now.

He's actually saying it's better than 4 nil sometimes.

Let's hope he's right and I'm wrong - 4 nil to Dortmund would be cracking.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 20th February 09:55

[TEKNOPUG]

LoonyTunes said:

TEKNOPUG said:

type-r said:

In Europe, at home, in some situations: 0-0 > 2-1.

Please show your workings.

Drawing 0-0 at home is worse than winning 2-1...I've heard it all now.

Drawing 0-0 at home is better than winning 2-1.

[Dan_1981]

TEKNOPUG said:

Dan_1981 said:

Away goal.

I see the point being made. Can be a right fker.

Give me an example

We win at home 2-1

We go to them and are losing 1-0 So 2-2 on agg - they go through with AG rule. So we've needed to score two goals but still go out.

We score 1 goal and we go through. 3-2. But needed 3 goals scoring.

However they win 2-1 we have to go to penalties & E/T Needed to score 3 times just to get to E/T & pens.

Alternately we draw at home 0-0 and go to them

Losing 1-0 - we only need to score once to go through.

Drawing 0-0 we score one goal and we go through. Only needed to score once.

We draw 2-2 - we go through - only needed to score twice.

So like for like we need to score one goal less overall with a 0-0 draw at home.

Not 100% convinced myself..... but maybe you can see the point?

[anonymous-user]

Dan_1981 said:

Not 100% convinced myself..... but maybe you can see the point?

Just no.
It's better than a score draw.
Worse than a win.
There's nothing complicated about it

[Adam B]

Chris Stott said:

Comfortable with 0-0... BM won't be able to defend as deep as they did last night at home. They'll need to push the FB's on more and this will leave more space for us.

Do fans think Bayern management cannot see this? All the build up before the game (BT sport) was about their lack of pace in defence and use of a high line and how Liverpool can exploit it.

Bayern don't HAVE to come out and go all gung-ho, they decide actually LFC are the better team and a better tactic is keep it as tight as the Anfield game and hope for a set piece goal or piece of Lewandodski brilliance to nick it, or win on penalties.

They wouldn't have been as simple an option at 2-1

[jcremonini]

Dan_1981 said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Dan_1981 said:

Away goal.

I see the point being made. Can be a right fker.

Give me an example

We win at home 2-1

We go to them and are losing 1-0 So 2-2 on agg - they go through with AG rule. So we've needed to score two goals but still go out.

We score 1 goal and we go through. 3-2. But needed 3 goals scoring.

However they win 2-1 we have to go to penalties & E/T Needed to score 3 times just to get to E/T & pens.

Alternately we draw at home 0-0 and go to them

Losing 1-0 - we only need to score once to go through.

Drawing 0-0 we score one goal and we go through. Only needed to score once.

We draw 2-2 - we go through - only needed to score twice.

So like for like we need to score one goal less overall with a 0-0 draw at home.

Not 100% convinced myself..... but maybe you can see the point?

If you are losing 1-0 and "only have to score once to go through" then why is that better than 2-1 (where you don't need to score at all and 1 goal makes your position vastly better) ?

Similarly if you draw 2-2 after a 2-1 win then you also go through, but cleanly rather than on away goal rules.

There is no way on earth a 0-0 draw can ever be better, psychologically, than a 2-1 win - simply down to the fact you have failed to score a goal in 90 minutes whereas, at 2-1 you have proven you can score. Twice.

[TEKNOPUG]

Dan_1981 said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Dan_1981 said:

Away goal.

I see the point being made. Can be a right fker.

Give me an example

We win at home 2-1

We go to them and are losing 1-0 So 2-2 on agg - they go through with AG rule. So we've needed to score two goals but still go out.

We score 1 goal and we go through. 3-2. But needed 3 goals scoring.

However they win 2-1 we have to go to penalties & E/T Needed to score 3 times just to get to E/T & pens.

Alternately we draw at home 0-0 and go to them

Losing 1-0 - we only need to score once to go through.

Drawing 0-0 we score one goal and we go through. Only needed to score once.

We draw 2-2 - we go through - only needed to score twice.

So like for like we need to score one goal less overall with a 0-0 draw at home.

Not 100% convinced myself..... but maybe you can see the point?

No.......no.......................no.................

Whatever the result in the 2nd leg, you've scored 1 goal less on aggregate if the first leg is 0-0 rather than 2-1.

So for example, had you drawn 2-2 away, you wouldn't have only needed to score twice to go through on away goals, as you would have won 4-3 anyway.

0-0 first leg, 1-1 second leg = win on away goals
2-1 first leg, 1-1 second leg = win.....

There is no possible mathematical scenario where 0-0 is a better result that 2-1. None. At all.