The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]

[epom]

type-r said:

wjb said:

Great result today, that's all that matters.

I disagree.

Result is fantastic but on another day, it would have been West Ham and Leicester all over again. How demoralising would that have been? Surely that is a concern? To sweep that under the carpet and not address it or acknowledge it is half our problem?

Performance today itself wasn't bad but for me one issue we have had all season is the final ball. We give the ball away at crucial moments or crosses don't find their intended target. As a result, we were nearly punished today by a sloppyish goal that on another day would cost us another 2 points. During the first half of the season, we got away with the result with exceptional defending - recently we've been conceding more often which has lead to dropped points.

Also doesn't help that it feels like we are carrying a one-legged Salah atm.

But it wasn't West Ham or Leicester all over again. We won. And now until the end of this league that really is all that matters. If we play the worst football we have ever played in our history and it finally leads us to the title I'll take it. There have been many close calls where we have played magnificent football and have nothing to show for it. Right now results are all that matter.
We can play the fancy exciting stuff in Europe.

[Adam B]

Both views are right.

Of course 3 points is all that matters ultimately and we got those yesterday - happy days.

But if we don’t raise our consistent level of performance esp in the final third we WILL drop points when City won’t.

City would have battered that Fulham side by 5 or 6. We don’t have to be at that level but we need to be more clinical, if we are 2 or 3 up the odd defensive blunder or set piece cock up wont lose us points as it so easily could have done yesterday.

[wjb]

epom said:

But it wasn't West Ham or Leicester all over again. We won. And now until the end of this league that really is all that matters. If we play the worst football we have ever played in our history and it finally leads us to the title I'll take it. There have been many close calls where we have played magnificent football and have nothing to show for it. Right now results are all that matter.
We can play the fancy exciting stuff in Europe.

Exactly, I couldn't care less about great football, mistakes, missed chances etc.

As long as we score more goals than the opposition between now and the end of the season I'll be happy. It's results that count.

Still no Shaquiri, he's having a funny season isn't he? Not played for us since West Ham, 6 weeks ago...

[type-r]

It was a performance where you could predict they would equalize - and no surprise when they did. We go one nil up and are not killing these type of games. I didn't feel that yesterday - the want and determination to kill the game. Played in 2nd gear, final ball in a lot of occasions very poor and handed a get-out-of-jail penalty. This time. My worry is we won't be handed that free pass in every game played like that.

[wjb]

City got a dodgy pen and an offside goal to beat championship Swansea at the weekend.

They struggled, but no one will remember that, as it doesn't matter how you win.

[ChocolateFrog]

City's run in the cup comps has been laughably easy so far, if they don't win the FA Cup at walking pace they'll have massively fked up.

As a previous poster said I'm quite glad they scraped through, another couple of games at the crunchy end of the season.

[Guvernator]

I agree at this stage that results are all that matter, however putting in lacklustre performances can come back to bite you in the bum, it certainly did for us.

It's a fine line between playing badly and winning to playing badly and losing.

[NRS]

Guvernator said:

I agree at this stage that results are all that matter, however putting in lacklustre performances can come back to bite you in the bum, it certainly did for us.

It's a fine line between playing badly and winning to playing badly and losing.

Strange thing is it feels like it has been like that since pretty much the start of the season, a few results here and there ignored. Yet we are doing very well despite that in terms of points. Which is due to the defence. Average of 0.58 goals conceded per game - so almost just 1 goal every 2 games means our 2.26 goals scored a game average is enough to win most games. We've not scored loads in too many games, but we get 1-2 goals in most games, so that means a win when we've not conceded. It's a bit like United last year getting 2nd - they won a lot of games by just say 1 goal, so per game it seemed lucky, but over a season it was consistent scoring a few and keeping those against down so they would get the 3 points most games.

You can feel it in our defending - before it was squeaky bum time every time we had a break against us, now it's generally pretty relaxed apart from a few moments. Almost no worry about dead balls, as we are so good at holding a high line and triggering the offside. Although of course it gets worse now, as each game is so important for our possible title chance.

Edited by NRS on Monday 18th March 10:59

[jammy-git]

If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.

The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.

[type-r]

jammy-git said:

If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.

The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.

Couldn't agree more.

[TTmonkey]

Cbull said:

Nothing wrong with ex players celebrating goals imo. They just need to do it respectfully and not like Neville did. I was strangely happy he scored for some reason.

Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.

Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.

Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.

Have to agree about the celebrating - Babel should have been happy to celebrate with his new team mates. Its not as if he dumped Liverpool to go to Fulham - its the other way around in anything.

The booing of Ross Barclay during the Everton match yesterday was the same for me. yes, he wanted away and that affected his last year badly, but he was finished in our team, and was clearly the point of much criticism for many poor performances by the whole team, but we got paid handsomely for him and that money has bought other players. I almost wanted him to plant a belter from 30 yards into our net yesterday. Almost.

Players move on. Lets all get over it I say.

[jammy-git]

type-r said:

jammy-git said:

If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.

The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.

Couldn't agree more.

I mean, you could try?

[Pommy]

TTmonkey said:

Cbull said:

Nothing wrong with ex players celebrating goals imo. They just need to do it respectfully and not like Neville did. I was strangely happy he scored for some reason.

Overall poor performance today but it could have been much worse I'm ecstatic we at least got a win and managed to stay in with a shout for the league.

Salah needs to keep his head up, you can see he's getting really frustrated with himself. Trent is the best right back in the Europe one day then the next struggles to cross a simple ball, suppose experience should fix that. Is it just me or is Bobby looking a tad over weight? I do like him but I definitely think we should be upgrading in that position come summer lol.

Don't care how we win, as long as its a win though. VvD's valuation must have dropped 50 million easy, he must only be worth 170 million now.

Have to agree about the celebrating - Babel should have been happy to celebrate with his new team mates. Its not as if he dumped Liverpool to go to Fulham - its the other way around in anything.

The booing of Ross Barclay during the Everton match yesterday was the same for me. yes, he wanted away and that affected his last year badly, but he was finished in our team, and was clearly the point of much criticism for many poor performances by the whole team, but we got paid handsomely for him and that money has bought other players. I almost wanted him to plant a belter from 30 yards into our net yesterday. Almost.

Players move on. Lets all get over it I say.

It depends how they move on.

Milly will end his career at Leeds and everyone will be stoked for him.

Stirling will never be welcomed back if he wanted to.

Happened to Owen as well.

[Flip Martian]

type-r said:

jammy-git said:

If we win the title with those kind of performances, I for one am not going to complain. At all! However my view, for a long time now, has been that we're unlikely to win the title if our performances don't improve. In all honesty I cannot believe we're still in with a shot of winning the league given some of the performances we've put in.

The other issue with performances like against Fulham is that it invites teams to have a go. We saw it with Jose at Utd. If the opposition think you're not at your best, they'll think they can grab a goal or two and maybe just nick a draw or a win here or there. Compare that to City - most teams look like they're expecting to lose before they've even kicked off. It must make the job just that little bit easier for City.

Couldn't agree more.

Ditto.

[Flip Martian]

Pommy said:

It depends how they move on.

Milly will end his career at Leeds and everyone will be stoked for him.

Stirling will never be welcomed back if he wanted to.

Happened to Owen as well.

All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.

[SydneyBridge]

Few of our ex players on tv later

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/tv/who-harrys...

I last saw Razer on Can't pay wont pay, or something like that, his face was pixellated but very recognisable......
He owed some money to a kennels, and was a complete "dont you know who i am" tit.

Programme looks entertaining anyway

[General Price]

Flip Martian said:

All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.

Classless little stehawk is a perfect description for Owen.

I remember him sitting on the bench at Grazer in 2004 knowing full well he wouldn't come on because he was going to Madrid.

[Vee]

Flip Martian said:

All true - however Owen did want to come back and it wasn't really his fault ultimately he couldn't. Although given he was well past his peak anyway, it's immaterial but Owen diesn't really belong in the "classless little stehawk" box with "T-Rex Arms" Sterling.

Owen forced his way out, never gave Rafa a chance.
He was England’s number one striker at a time where English players were commanding a premium. We got £8M and Antonio Nunez.
Will never be welcome in my book.
No surprise he wanted back in, we were doing well with Torres and he only had Newcastle showing any interest.

Edited by Vee on Monday 18th March 21:22

[Cbull]

Yep, he's a horrid little rodent. I'm still bitter from the way he left. At the time imo he was the best striker in the world and ran his contract out. We should have got a world record fee. Glad his career went down hill from leaving, never really settled anywhere after us. Could have been a LFC legend.

Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.

Oh, then he went and played for them the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling.


Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.

Yep, still bitter.

LFC youngsters are in the Youth Cup final, likely against Citeh.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/342287-pa...

[BrabusMog]

Cbull said:

Yep, he's a horrid little rodent. I'm still bitter from the way he left. At the time imo he was the best striker in the world and ran his contract out. We should have got a world record fee. Glad his career went down hill from leaving, never really settled anywhere after us. Could have been a LFC legend.

Obviously lots will say otherwise but I know a few people that have had dealings with him, apparantly not a very pleasant chap off the camera to us normal Joe's. Very snobby.

Oh, then he went and played for them the other end of the 62. Much worse than Sterling.


Hate even hearing give his opinion of LFC affairs.

Yep, still bitter.

Classy