The Official Liverpool FC Thread [Vol 15]
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Flip Martian said:
jammy-git said:
What surprised me the most about these stats is that Alisson has not faced less shots on goal than Migs/Karius last season, he's just saved a hell of a lot more.
It's been a while since we had a reliable goalie. It's very welcome!Someone made the remark on Reddit, which I think is absolutely correct, that we don't seem to panic any more. Both Alisson and VVD have brought a real calmness to the side. Thinking about to the Sevilla games, Man City 4-3, Arsenal 3-3, Man City 5-0, etc. We always had a bit of a meltdown in our pocket where we seem to run around like headless chickens - usually score a few but also be absent in defence too.
Now we're much more organised and mature in our approach to games.
Now we're much more organised and mature in our approach to games.
wjb said:
I'm just glad that thanks to Allison and VVD my blood pressure doesn't go through the roof every time we give away a corner.
It really does show how much it comes down to having real quality players. For the last few seasons I remember moaning about Klopp's coaching ability - why was it that the same players were constantly making the same defensive mistakes, game after game. Was Klopping actually coaching them? It just goes to show - in very basic terms - that in most cases you cannot coach quality in certain players. Trying to turn the Karius', Lovrens', Morenos' into top quality players - most fans from a mile off can see they lack the most essential of traits - a footballing brain. Improving these types of players is a fools errand. Identifying that trait early also requires good management skills. But I also understand trying to change too much too soon has pitfalls aswell, so perhaps it is a case of sticking with the devil you know, for now at least. Rightly those 3 haven't featured much or at all this season and that has correlated in a huge improvement defensively.
That is the point of my post. Certain players have that trait more than others and can't be improved via coaching. They will always be at the same level. No one doubts Klopp's ability to coach - it is more about identifying early in which ones can and will improve, rather than playing them only for them to make the same cock-ups time and again to the detriment of the team and the result.
type-r said:
That is the point of my post. Certain players have that trait more than others and can't be improved via coaching. They will always be at the same level. No one doubts Klopp's ability to coach - it is more about identifying early in which ones can and will improve, rather than playing them only for them to make the same cock-ups time and again to the detriment of the team and the result.
cough * Karius * coughSometimes I guess as fans we might wonder how players who just don't seem to be good enough can get regular games at the top level or feel that perhaps a manager perseveres with a player long past their due date but then again it is possible to turn it around sometimes, just look at Sissoko.
However it's also true that at the top level, there is a fine line between bang average and good or great, players can even swing wildly between one and the other from game to game. I suppose there are so many factors at that level that it's not an exact science.
However it's also true that at the top level, there is a fine line between bang average and good or great, players can even swing wildly between one and the other from game to game. I suppose there are so many factors at that level that it's not an exact science.
Guvernator said:
Sometimes I guess as fans we might wonder how players who just don't seem to be good enough can get regular games at the top level or feel that perhaps a manager perseveres with a player long past their due date but then again it is possible to turn it around sometimes, just look at Sissoko.
However it's also true that at the top level, there is a fine line between bang average and good or great, players can even swing wildly between one and the other from game to game. I suppose there are so many factors at that level that it's not an exact science.
Definitely something in that, I think. Not every player is "clearly useless".However it's also true that at the top level, there is a fine line between bang average and good or great, players can even swing wildly between one and the other from game to game. I suppose there are so many factors at that level that it's not an exact science.
type-r said:
Agreed, would not have anyone else.
Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
I suspect it was a question of waiting until who he wanted was available. No point binning someone without a better replacement to come in. Its not CM where all players are readily available at the drop of a hat whenever you need to buy them as we all know.Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
type-r said:
Agreed, would not have anyone else.
Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
Not sure I agree, I bet if you asked City & UTD fans, both of those managers have played players who they thought they should not be playing Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
Otamendi is a big a liability as Moreno yet kept on getting played,
I am sure some of the UTD boys who read the thread can tell us some Fergie used to play who had a lot of mistakes in them.
ALL managers do it, but all tend to replace when they can, cant just chuck them out if you dont really have better available to come in .
Flip Martian said:
type-r said:
Agreed, would not have anyone else.
Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
I suspect it was a question of waiting until who he wanted was available. No point binning someone without a better replacement to come in. Its not CM where all players are readily available at the drop of a hat whenever you need to buy them as we all know.Just wish he would be a bit more Sakho-ruthless at times. Fergie was, Pep is.
I don't think that things would have played out the way they have if that European Cup Final had gone differently. I bet the phone rang before the final whistle blew.
Alisson could have been bought earlier and for less and the way Mignolet has been "managed" is hardly benchmark.
For all the piss-taking about "How much for a keeper" it's traditionally been a role that hasn't attracted the best money, almost like a throwback to the playground when the s
ttest player would often get chosen to be the keeper by default.
It's only in the last few years where they have started to get proper recognition in terms of wages and transfer fees as players that are equally if not more important than most of the other players on the pitch.
Loris has been hugely influential in keeping us near the top of the table IMO.
ttest player would often get chosen to be the keeper by default.It's only in the last few years where they have started to get proper recognition in terms of wages and transfer fees as players that are equally if not more important than most of the other players on the pitch.
Loris has been hugely influential in keeping us near the top of the table IMO.
desolate said:
I am amazed at how positive everyone seems to be.
I'm not feeling it as they looked top class at their place.
Will be interesting to see we cope IF we go 1-0 up. Do we become defensive, as no doubt Napoli will throw everything at getting the equaliser. I fear it will be squeeky bum time for a lot of the game.I'm not feeling it as they looked top class at their place.
type-r said:
Will be interesting to see we cope IF we go 1-0 up. Do we become defensive, as no doubt Napoli will throw everything at getting the equaliser. I fear it will be squeeky bum time for a lot of the game.
I hope we have one of those crazy 20 minute periods were we score 3 goals and knock the stuffing out of them.Gassing Station | Football | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff