The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)
Discussion
LoonyTunes said:
57Ford said:
Can’t see Poch coming to us while Real are after him either.
You could see him coming to United if Real weren't interested?Not a snowball's.
We're a giant of a club in World football, a stumbling giant currently I grant you, but a giant nonetheless. Regardless of where Spurs are right now, he'd be able to take us higher than they've ever been, he'd have a massively higher transfer budget at his disposal, and lets not forget, whilst I'm sure he's pretty well off already, the chance to double/triple your wages is also a big draw. I think there's very few managers around that would turn down the opportunity of taking over at United.
Wacky Racer said:
Eddie Howe's a decent manager and a nice guy, but really a "top" club like Manchester United should be setting their sights a lot higher than him. (Ex Burnley and Bournemouth)
Maybe in a few more years.
Yeah, imagine signing a manager from some tiny club like AberdeenMaybe in a few more years.
You need to sign a good quality intelligent manager who you can invest in for 5 or 6 years, not a big time Charlie like JM who will come for a fat pay packet for 3 years and then bugger off
G Nev making a lot of sense with the error of giving José a long contract extension
I don’t know if it’s either me or just poor memory, but all the good to great sides I’ve seen or heard of always had a centre back core that reeled off the tongue: always two names (or equally good names) that the rest of the team was built around. Milan, Baresi/Costacurta; France, Desailly/Blanc; Barcelona, Puyol/Pique; United, Pallister/Bruce...
Every time I turn on the telly, I just see a new combo at the back. And it’s bewildering. I know there’s been injuries and form issues, but surely this is partly the root of the onfield problem. All that chopping and changing...it obviously goes through the rest of the first XI, but Mourinho gives the impression of overthinking what the opposition might do then plucking the Lego pieces accordingly. Further upfield, I thought Martial was doing well recently and showing his mettle. So why not just say, you’re my starter till end of season? Lukaku and the others just have to knuckle down and break into the side after that.
Pogba: currently Pogba is as Pogba does. Mourinho’s man management obviously doesn’t work on him. It takes a special skill to galvanise an underdog team to beat the best, Porto, Inter etc, but when you’ve got a player who’s just come off winning the WC and is playing Call of Duty on the telly every advert break, you either have all the management chips at the start of the relationship or you know exactly how to motivate a talent like that to do what you want. You can’t make him Captain one minute, slag him off another, start him, not start him...you’ve lost the kid.
Mourinho: even though he’s always fought this insecurity that he was never a ‘player’, the guy can coach. With the right and certain materials. But historically he’s only been effective when he’s had a relationship with the owner, top of a clubs hierarchy. He wants more at United than will ever be allowed. Ferguson was a one off so you’ve got to build a club that the rest of the operation is made immune to the swap out of the first XI boss. Painful for the fans, club and also an egotistic/charismatic type manager. Wears a Hublot like no one else though. Probably holding out for Bayern - easy burnish of the CV - but the likes of Hoeness will stamp him quickly if he doesn’t stay ‘in flow’...
I doubt you’d get a Zidane. Whether or not he’s got team rebuilding skills within him is one question. He can certainly fine tune high talent, and juggle the emotions and usefullness of an Isco or Bale or Carvajal, but telling a dumdum like Phil Jones how to play is something else. All that said, maybe he wouldn’t want the job anyway. Why pick up Mourinho’s pieces when he’s enjoying the Med with his family? The guy is from Marseille. A club in a reasonable climate is his ideal. Juventus is the next stop.
Just a stack load of instability.
As for off the pitch: I don’t get the opprobrium for Woodward or indeed the Glazers. Woodward as merchant in chief runs a £0.5bn revenue generating monster. He’s not the fool. He’s let Mourinho spend. If you were Woodward would you give Jose anymore money? Would you? Doubt it.
The Glazers trick out one in every two dollars or pounds of profit you guys make. I can’t see them selling to be honest because a dividend of a few million to each family member is useful when you’re asset but not cash rich. You’re not selling unless it’s a great offer.
It’s not a marvellous time obviously and in the real world, dynasties come and go. Luckily football is more cyclical than that. Ironically embedding stable and commercially minded operations properly might make United more suited to a future when possibly the Oligarchs and Sheiks get bored and want something else.
Every time I turn on the telly, I just see a new combo at the back. And it’s bewildering. I know there’s been injuries and form issues, but surely this is partly the root of the onfield problem. All that chopping and changing...it obviously goes through the rest of the first XI, but Mourinho gives the impression of overthinking what the opposition might do then plucking the Lego pieces accordingly. Further upfield, I thought Martial was doing well recently and showing his mettle. So why not just say, you’re my starter till end of season? Lukaku and the others just have to knuckle down and break into the side after that.
Pogba: currently Pogba is as Pogba does. Mourinho’s man management obviously doesn’t work on him. It takes a special skill to galvanise an underdog team to beat the best, Porto, Inter etc, but when you’ve got a player who’s just come off winning the WC and is playing Call of Duty on the telly every advert break, you either have all the management chips at the start of the relationship or you know exactly how to motivate a talent like that to do what you want. You can’t make him Captain one minute, slag him off another, start him, not start him...you’ve lost the kid.
Mourinho: even though he’s always fought this insecurity that he was never a ‘player’, the guy can coach. With the right and certain materials. But historically he’s only been effective when he’s had a relationship with the owner, top of a clubs hierarchy. He wants more at United than will ever be allowed. Ferguson was a one off so you’ve got to build a club that the rest of the operation is made immune to the swap out of the first XI boss. Painful for the fans, club and also an egotistic/charismatic type manager. Wears a Hublot like no one else though. Probably holding out for Bayern - easy burnish of the CV - but the likes of Hoeness will stamp him quickly if he doesn’t stay ‘in flow’...
I doubt you’d get a Zidane. Whether or not he’s got team rebuilding skills within him is one question. He can certainly fine tune high talent, and juggle the emotions and usefullness of an Isco or Bale or Carvajal, but telling a dumdum like Phil Jones how to play is something else. All that said, maybe he wouldn’t want the job anyway. Why pick up Mourinho’s pieces when he’s enjoying the Med with his family? The guy is from Marseille. A club in a reasonable climate is his ideal. Juventus is the next stop.
Just a stack load of instability.
As for off the pitch: I don’t get the opprobrium for Woodward or indeed the Glazers. Woodward as merchant in chief runs a £0.5bn revenue generating monster. He’s not the fool. He’s let Mourinho spend. If you were Woodward would you give Jose anymore money? Would you? Doubt it.
The Glazers trick out one in every two dollars or pounds of profit you guys make. I can’t see them selling to be honest because a dividend of a few million to each family member is useful when you’re asset but not cash rich. You’re not selling unless it’s a great offer.
It’s not a marvellous time obviously and in the real world, dynasties come and go. Luckily football is more cyclical than that. Ironically embedding stable and commercially minded operations properly might make United more suited to a future when possibly the Oligarchs and Sheiks get bored and want something else.
Challo said:
It has been painful to watch us this year. Hopefully the club do the right thing, get rid of Jose and we can move on and get back to competing for titles
You’ve been poor as a neutral spectacle for the best part of 10 years in pure footballing terms. The last few years of Ferguson were pretty dire, but had some stirring comebacks and last minute smash and grabs. Since then you’ve been dire though. It’s a big rebuilding job for whoever takes over and will need a lot of investment from what seem to be unwilling owners.
Adam B said:
Wacky Racer said:
Eddie Howe's a decent manager and a nice guy, but really a "top" club like Manchester United should be setting their sights a lot higher than him. (Ex Burnley and Bournemouth)
Maybe in a few more years.
Yeah, imagine signing a manager from some tiny club like Aberdeen Maybe in a few more years.
Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
graylag said:
Challo said:
It has been painful to watch us this year. Hopefully the club do the right thing, get rid of Jose and we can move on and get back to competing for titles
You’ve been poor as a neutral spectacle for the best part of 10 years in pure footballing terms. The last few years of Ferguson were pretty dire, but had some stirring comebacks and last minute smash and grabs. Since then you’ve been dire though. It’s a big rebuilding job for whoever takes over and will need a lot of investment from what seem to be unwilling owners.
I did think you had some interesting points to make, but it seems your only interested in baiting United fans with your drival.
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