The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)
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Utd thankfully are in a much better position financially than they were at the start of the Fergie era and have a strong underlying financial position going forward, notwithstanding the glaziers filling their pockets.
The constant messing about with defence and playing people put of position has been annoying to be fair. He still doesn't know what his settled team is. I can't see much changing till the end of the season now in respect of Utd.
FA cup run if we are very lucky.
The constant messing about with defence and playing people put of position has been annoying to be fair. He still doesn't know what his settled team is. I can't see much changing till the end of the season now in respect of Utd.
FA cup run if we are very lucky.
graylag said:
Wacky Racer said:
Ferguson had won trophies at Aberdeen, but even so took five years to do anything at United.
Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
If it only takes five years it’ll be a miracle. It’s taken Liverpool nearly 30 and City 50 and a trillion oil dollars. Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
Challo said:
graylag said:
Challo said:
It has been painful to watch us this year. Hopefully the club do the right thing, get rid of Jose and we can move on and get back to competing for titles
You’ve been poor as a neutral spectacle for the best part of 10 years in pure footballing terms. The last few years of Ferguson were pretty dire, but had some stirring comebacks and last minute smash and grabs. Since then you’ve been dire though. It’s a big rebuilding job for whoever takes over and will need a lot of investment from what seem to be unwilling owners.
I did think you had some interesting points to make, but it seems your only interested in baiting United fans with your drival.
We never really replaced Keane and Scholes, and to some extent Giggs and Ronaldo. We had Berbatov firing for one season, and RVP for another. That, together with a great defensive record won us the last two Fergie titles. The football was rarely riveting. But it was never as disorganised as it is this season.
selym said:
graylag said:
Wacky Racer said:
Ferguson had won trophies at Aberdeen, but even so took five years to do anything at United.
Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
If it only takes five years it’ll be a miracle. It’s taken Liverpool nearly 30 and City 50 and a trillion oil dollars. Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
In my opinion, and I’m happy to be corrected by a maths teacher, 29 years equates to nearly 30 years. And that assumes they won’t this year, which I don’t think they will as City will eventually pull a gap.
graylag said:
selym said:
graylag said:
Wacky Racer said:
Ferguson had won trophies at Aberdeen, but even so took five years to do anything at United.
Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
If it only takes five years it’ll be a miracle. It’s taken Liverpool nearly 30 and City 50 and a trillion oil dollars. Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
In my opinion, and I’m happy to be corrected by a maths teacher, 29 years equates to nearly 30 years. And that assumes they won’t this year, which I don’t think they will as City will eventually pull a gap.
Challo said:
Dire for 10years?? Alrighty then
I did think you had some interesting points to make, but it seems your only interested in baiting United fans with your drival.
Six years of garbage since Ferguson retired. I did think you had some interesting points to make, but it seems your only interested in baiting United fans with your drival.
Four years prior to that involved a final title that was more a result of anyone else deciding not to try than anything else. The other title with Berbarov and Tevez was pretty good. you were the best team in europe 10 years ago and the moment Ronaldo was sold you went downhill very quickly.
Let’s call it 8 years of being dire.
Edited by graylag on Sunday 16th December 21:22
selym said:
Trophies, the man said. So probably an English teacher or a 'paying attention' coach would suit you better.
The odd cup run means f
k all, unless it’s built on. Liverpool haven’t built on their League Cup success a decade ago or their CL win 15 years ago and have had multiple managers since Their current squad, set up and outlook is massively improved and if City didn’t have the oil money they would be streets ahead of the competition IMO. That has taken a lot of failure, a lot of wasted money and a lot of pain to get there and nearly 30 years. To think United could turn this around in 5 years would be a miracle.
As I said pre season , you lot dont have a plan and Mou cant motivate players.
I hope you keep him but I cant see that lasting too much longer.
I expect with a good manager, a plan, and giving the players a clue as to what they should be doing you would improve a lot, 5 years to rebuild would be fine.
But at the moment throwing players on when they dont know whats expected then blaming them when they dont meet expectations isnt working, this gets the whole team down and no one performs, you are in st street and its only 1 persons fault.
IMO if you keep Mou for much longer you will loose out on the quality players you have currently in the Jan window and be left with the real garbage.
Please do that.
I hope you keep him but I cant see that lasting too much longer.
I expect with a good manager, a plan, and giving the players a clue as to what they should be doing you would improve a lot, 5 years to rebuild would be fine.
But at the moment throwing players on when they dont know whats expected then blaming them when they dont meet expectations isnt working, this gets the whole team down and no one performs, you are in s
t street and its only 1 persons fault.IMO if you keep Mou for much longer you will loose out on the quality players you have currently in the Jan window and be left with the real garbage.
Please do that.
Point of order..... 44 years....1968-2011
selym said:
But not 30 years ago, so you blew your chance.
Are you always this weird? The point is about winning the league not just the odd trophy. Mourinho has won a couple at United but that is irrelevant as they’re going backwards. Guardiola has won a couple at city but I know which matters and which doesn’t.
Martinez won one for us and it was epic, but we didn’t exactly build on it.
Klopp has won nothing at Liverpool, but he’s doing a brilliant job rebuilding and genuinely challenging.
Pochettino similar albeit a bit further off the pace.
Both of the latter are in a position to challenge for the league after decades in the wilderness. That is progress. To suggest that Jbited can turn it around in five years in fanciful and it will take a change of manager lots of money and a proper plan and focus to get anywhere near.
selym said:
graylag said:
selym said:
graylag said:
Wacky Racer said:
Ferguson had won trophies at Aberdeen, but even so took five years to do anything at United.
Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
If it only takes five years it’ll be a miracle. It’s taken Liverpool nearly 30 and City 50 and a trillion oil dollars. Can the fans afford to wait ANOTHER five years?
In my opinion, and I’m happy to be corrected by a maths teacher, 29 years equates to nearly 30 years. And that assumes they won’t this year, which I don’t think they will as City will eventually pull a gap.
Challo said:
wjb said:
ORD said:
We should also not pretend that the other big teams are much better than Utd. They aren’t. Liverpool, Chelsea, spurs and Arsenal also have plenty of very average players.
Genuine question (not a wind up) 
Who do you consider the average players in the Liverpool team?
Not the bench warmers, or the ones who fill in when others are injured, the first 11.
ORD said:
wjb said:
Shaq is a talented player, I'd personally say he is well above average, but then it's utd supporters opinion I asked for, not mine
Mane... Average? Really?
This is just it - you have much lower standards for your own players than you do for Utd's. Plenty of the Liverpool starting 11 is made up of fairly average PL player. Mane would not make it into the Utd side, and we are terrible. Mane... Average? Really?
wjb said:
Challo said:
wjb said:
ORD said:
We should also not pretend that the other big teams are much better than Utd. They aren’t. Liverpool, Chelsea, spurs and Arsenal also have plenty of very average players.
Genuine question (not a wind up) Who do you consider the average players in the Liverpool team?
Not the bench warmers, or the ones who fill in when others are injured, the first 11.
ORD said:
wjb said:
Shaq is a talented player, I'd personally say he is well above average, but then it's utd supporters opinion I asked for, not mine
Mane... Average? Really?
This is just it - you have much lower standards for your own players than you do for Utd's. Plenty of the Liverpool starting 11 is made up of fairly average PL player. Mane would not make it into the Utd side, and we are terrible. Mane... Average? Really?
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