The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)

[Alpinestars]

ORD said:

We know he can play - he was easily our best outfield player last season. People have short memories.

He has been treated like st by an idiot manager, and losing him would leave us with literally no outfield players worth watching, apart from Martial, Lingard and (sometimes) Rashford.

Best. Sometimes, of a very very average bunch of midfield players. If he can’t be arsed respecting the club and fans, I don’t care how good he thinks he is. He should go. He’s a good time Charlie, who only wants to play on sunny days whilst someone is live steaming to YouTube and hailing him as some demigod. He epitomises everything that’s wrong with the club.

[selym]

Alpinestars said:

ORD said:

We know he can play - he was easily our best outfield player last season. People have short memories.

He has been treated like st by an idiot manager, and losing him would leave us with literally no outfield players worth watching, apart from Martial, Lingard and (sometimes) Rashford.

Best. Sometimes, of a very very average bunch of midfield players. If he can’t be arsed respecting the club and fans, I don’t care how good he thinks he is. He should go. He’s a good time Charlie, who only wants to play on sunny days whilst someone is live steaming to YouTube and hailing him as some demigod. He epitomises everything that’s wrong with the club.

...and everything that's wrong with football. His dog st antics are dragging guys like Lingard down with him, good professionals who can achieve anything they want, with his YouTube/emoji/Call of Duty advert shenanigans. It's deflecting attention away from where it needs to be focused - youth talent.

[jammy-git]

Black can man said:

Adrian Durham was saying earlier that European cup players can be transferred mid season & not be cup tied.

He did jokingly say that Pogba could well line up for Paris against United come February.

If United can buy a few top class players in January then you never know. Sure they can afford it .

Isn't there that Ajax midfielder that both PSG and City have agreed deals with but both had to pull away from the deal cause of FFP?

My point being that I can't see PSG having the ability to sign Pogba given their current troubles with FFP.

[General Price]

jammy-git said:

Black can man said:

Adrian Durham was saying earlier that European cup players can be transferred mid season & not be cup tied.

He did jokingly say that Pogba could well line up for Paris against United come February.

If United can buy a few top class players in January then you never know. Sure they can afford it .

Isn't there that Ajax midfielder that both PSG and City have agreed deals with but both had to pull away from the deal cause of FFP?

My point being that I can't see PSG having the ability to sign Pogba given their current troubles with FFP.

Surely 3 or 4 million wont push them over the edge.

[Black can man]

jammy-git said:

Black can man said:

Adrian Durham was saying earlier that European cup players can be transferred mid season & not be cup tied.

He did jokingly say that Pogba could well line up for Paris against United come February.

If United can buy a few top class players in January then you never know. Sure they can afford it .

Isn't there that Ajax midfielder that both PSG and City have agreed deals with but both had to pull away from the deal cause of FFP?

My point being that I can't see PSG having the ability to sign Pogba given their current troubles with FFP.

I think you are right but where else could he go if united stand by Jose ?

Sure the Qatari's would find a way.

Having said that Pogba is a more valuable asset to United than Jose is. Something is going to have to give, They can't go on for much longer like this can they ?

[wjb]

jammy-git said:

Black can man said:

Adrian Durham was saying earlier that European cup players can be transferred mid season & not be cup tied.

He did jokingly say that Pogba could well line up for Paris against United come February.

If United can buy a few top class players in January then you never know. Sure they can afford it .

Isn't there that Ajax midfielder that both PSG and City have agreed deals with but both had to pull away from the deal cause of FFP?

My point being that I can't see PSG having the ability to sign Pogba given their current troubles with FFP.

Not sure that's right.

You can play in Europa League then CL but not for two CL teams in one season. You'd be cup tied.

Or Coutinho would've played for Barca last season, surely?

[jammy-git]

Coutinho was cup tied last season. It's only from this season that players aren't.

[wjb]

jammy-git said:

Coutinho was cup tied last season. It's only from this season that players aren't.

So now in 18/19 you can buy a player who has played in the group stages and play them in the last 16?

[jammy-git]

Yup, I believe so.

[Blib]

Porto could buy Pogba and use him as an impact player off the bench. At least he'd get a run out....

[Black can man]

wjb said:

jammy-git said:

Coutinho was cup tied last season. It's only from this season that players aren't.

So now in 18/19 you can buy a player who has played in the group stages and play them in the last 16?

That's what i said isn't it

[57Ford]

Black can man said:

wjb said:

jammy-git said:

Coutinho was cup tied last season. It's only from this season that players aren't.

So now in 18/19 you can buy a player who has played in the group stages and play them in the last 16?

That's what i said isn't it

Hopefully none of this will be Jose’s problem anyway and the sum total of his preparations for the PSG match will be selecting which expensive bottle of red to drink with his feet up watching on telly.

[LoonyTunes]

wjb said:

jammy-git said:

Coutinho was cup tied last season. It's only from this season that players aren't.

So now in 18/19 you can buy a player who has played in the group stages and play them in the last 16?

If true it's ridiculous.

It's not as if Football isn't weighted enough in the favour of the clubs with the most money already but now if things aren't going your way half way through that seasons competition (see Utd for details but I'm really talking about Madrid and Barca) you can literally spend a billion £'s in the hope of changing that?!?!

If I were a say a Porto fan I'd have just a little hope of an upset against one of this seasons big but misfiring teams - but knowing that in Jan they can go and buy a Neymar etc kinda erodes even that possibility.

This is why FFP grates against me, at least Porto could in theory get taken over by some rich Sheikh to give them a hope of competing at some point. Why must it be set in stone that only Madrid, Barca, City and PSG can afford the £150m players???

Gets my goat.

Whatever players you start a season with should be all your allowed - save for dispensations for players crocked for a season.

/rant

[ORD]

LoonyTunes said:

If true it's ridiculous.

It's not as if Football isn't weighted enough in the favour of the clubs with the most money already but now if things aren't going your way half way through that seasons competition (see Utd for details but I'm really talking about Madrid and Barca) you can literally spend a billion £'s in the hope of changing that?!?!

If I were a say a Porto fan I'd have just a little hope of an upset against one of this seasons big but misfiring teams - but knowing that in Jan they can go and buy a Neymar etc kinda erodes even that possibility.

This is why FFP grates against me, at least Porto could in theory get taken over by some rich Sheikh to give them a hope of competing at some point. Why must it be set in stone that only Madrid, Barca, City and PSG can afford the £150m players???

Gets my goat.

Whatever players you start a season with should be all your allowed - save for dispensations for players crocked for a season.

/rant

FFP is not the smartest thing ever, but if it stops us having more clubs like Man City and Chelsea, it is a good thing. Nobody should want football to be full of plastic clubs (especially those like City that have almost literally no genuine fans and no worthwhile history or character).

As much as it hurts me deep in my heart, I would rather have those awful Scousers win the league than City. Liverpool is, after all, a proper club with a history, fans and character (unbearable character, but character).

[Blib]

ORD said:

FFP is not the smartest thing ever, but if it stops us having more clubs like Man City and Chelsea, it is a good thing. Nobody should want football to be full of plastic clubs (especially those like City that have almost literally no genuine fans and no worthwhile history or character).

As much as it hurts me deep in my heart, I would rather have those awful Scousers win the league than City. Liverpool is, after all, a proper club with a history, fans and character (unbearable character, but character).

I agree with this. Abramovic could have bought Fulham and done the same thing. The middle eastern owners of City could turn anyone into world beaters. But, for what?

I respect United, Liverpool and Arsenal for what they've built. City are forever advertising on Talksport, hawking tickets.

As for Chelsea. A small club that won the lottery and is just one US Federal Court indictment away from bankruptcy. Nothing more than that.

[LoonyTunes]

ORD said:

FFP is not the smartest thing ever, but if it stops us having more clubs like Man City and Chelsea, it is a good thing. Nobody should want football to be full of plastic clubs (especially those like City that have almost literally no genuine fans and no worthwhile history or character).

As much as it hurts me deep in my heart, I would rather have those awful Scousers win the league than City. Liverpool is, after all, a proper club with a history, fans and character (unbearable character, but character).

That's an establishment view held only by supporters of the traditional big clubs with the big bank balances.

Man City have been a breath of fresh air this league as were (and it kills me to say it) Chelsea before them. We now have a big 6 and it could yet grow to a big 7 or 8 because of those 2 clubs. I was heartily sick of the same old 4 clubs dominating the league and the ECL spots for year after year.

There's nothing plastic about Man City and Chelsea - they are now European powerhouses and their support can only grow with continued success on the pitch.

FFP would be rightly outlawed in any other industry as anti-competitive.

[anniesdad]

ORD said:

FFP is not the smartest thing ever, but if it stops us having more clubs like Man City and Chelsea, it is a good thing. Nobody should want football to be full of plastic clubs (especially those like City that have almost literally no genuine fans and no worthwhile history or character).

As much as it hurts me deep in my heart, I would rather have those awful Scousers win the league than City. Liverpool is, after all, a proper club with a history, fans and character (unbearable character, but character).

FFP was brought in as the smaller clubs were demanding it to help save them from themselves. To stop smaller clubs overstretching in the pursuit of success. But of course the same rule applies to all clubs, got to live within your means.

FFP wasn't here when Ambramovich started spending.

[anniesdad]

LoonyTunes said:

FFP would be rightly outlawed in any other industry as anti-competitive.

I see it the other way around that FFP helps to keep things competitive with the added bonus that some clubs have been saved from going to the wall.

[type-r]

Jose sacked.

[Alpinestars]

type-r said:

Jose sacked.

Yep.