The Official Manchester United Thread (Vol 8)
Discussion
GTO-3R said:
Don't see 5 pages of s
t when Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea get beat by City do you......
Lol! Not at all. Nor bizarre references to yesterday's ww1 dead, wages, and the general state of the world as we know it! t when Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea get beat by City do you......In a way it still proves how big a draw Utd are, compared to many clubs, all the pundits, ex players, failed managers, gob s
tes and general vultures flocking around after any loss. City have just about stuffed every other club this season give or take, apart from the "agreed" bore draw with pool etc, this was nothing surprising to Utd fans given how we've been this season.Black can man said:
Anybody else think that Jose’s comment about City playing two friendlies prior to yeasterdays game was a tad disrespectful ?
No because I took it in the right context i think he intended. He meant two much weaker teams at home had been pounded whereas Utd have had difficult away matches including overseas travel this week prior to playing the current best team in the league. The full interview he also mentions his players were physically and mentally tired before but wasn't making excuses, he's too willing to talk real issues and he gets picked up for it. He was I believe being quite respectful to City, yet his comments about us making basic simple defending mistakes were also taken as him ignoring the gulf in class currently.
200Plus Club said:
Black can man said:
Anybody else think that Jose’s comment about City playing two friendlies prior to yeasterdays game was a tad disrespectful ?
No because I took it in the right context i think he intended. He meant two much weaker teams at home had been pounded whereas Utd have had difficult away matches including overseas travel this week prior to playing the current best team in the league. The full interview he also mentions his players were physically and mentally tired before but wasn't making excuses, he's too willing to talk real issues and he gets picked up for it. He was I believe being quite respectful to City, yet his comments about us making basic simple defending mistakes were also taken as him ignoring the gulf in class currently.
I Just feel a bit of professional courtesy wouldn’t have gone amiss from Jose.
It wasn't disrespectful but it was largely irrelevant. He picked a negative set up - he didn't have to. He said it was a mental thing - they should have been used to getting uo for it - and it's his job to do that - it was beyond him.
As for the comment that a monkey could manage this City team to the title, that is more disrespectful. Maureen wouldn't get out of the City players what Guardiola does, simple. You have, according to ORD, the second best squad on paper, and look where you are, that is down to management.
As for the comment that a monkey could manage this City team to the title, that is more disrespectful. Maureen wouldn't get out of the City players what Guardiola does, simple. You have, according to ORD, the second best squad on paper, and look where you are, that is down to management.
franki68 said:
City have the best players ,a monkey could manage that team into winning the league.
And how have they managed that when 10 years ago, they were relegation fodder? They’ve built something, albeit on gifted money, but they’ve attracted the best players and bought well, they haven’t had many flops. However, United have failed miserably with most of their buys across all of the three managers since Ferguson left, arguably the best buyer was LVG. United should still be able to attract the best players and money seems to be available, albeit not with the endless supply at City. The problem is lack of vision. Why didn’t United get Pep when he left Barca? A deal could easily have been done to succeed Ferguson after his short sabbatical.
At no point have United put up a realistic title challenge in six years (this season is over). That is the big concern and despite last years distant second place, there is no real sign of progress being made. Mourinho’s first season could be seen as a dead cat bounce, as there’s been no silverware since and the FA cup run ended in a pretty pathetic display in the final last season.
If it were me, in charge of the club overall I’d be planning now for a new manager, let them have the rest of this season to assess what needs doing and then back them with as much money as they need. The club is heading towards mid-table anonymity at a rate of knots. Waiting til the end of the season when Mourinho can be disposed of cheaply won’t give the new manager any time to assess what’s needed and will just add unnecessary pressure onto them to meet their contractual performance requirements.
graylag said:
And how have they managed that when 10 years ago, they were relegation fodder? They’ve built something, albeit on gifted money, but they’ve attracted the best players and bought well, they haven’t had many flops. However, United have failed miserably with most of their buys across all of the three managers since Ferguson left, arguably the best buyer was LVG.
United should still be able to attract the best players and money seems to be available, albeit not with the endless supply at City. The problem is lack of vision. Why didn’t United get Pep when he left Barca? A deal could easily have been done to succeed Ferguson after his short sabbatical.
At no point have United put up a realistic title challenge in six years (this season is over). That is the big concern and despite last years distant second place, there is no real sign of progress being made. Mourinho’s first season could be seen as a dead cat bounce, as there’s been no silverware since and the FA cup run ended in a pretty pathetic display in the final last season.
If it were me, in charge of the club overall I’d be planning now for a new manager, let them have the rest of this season to assess what needs doing and then back them with as much money as they need. The club is heading towards mid-table anonymity at a rate of knots. Waiting til the end of the season when Mourinho can be disposed of cheaply won’t give the new manager any time to assess what’s needed and will just add unnecessary pressure onto them to meet their contractual performance requirements.
Liverpool and spurs haven't put a realistic title challenge in for 30yrs lol. And let's not talk about Arsenal recently lol. United should still be able to attract the best players and money seems to be available, albeit not with the endless supply at City. The problem is lack of vision. Why didn’t United get Pep when he left Barca? A deal could easily have been done to succeed Ferguson after his short sabbatical.
At no point have United put up a realistic title challenge in six years (this season is over). That is the big concern and despite last years distant second place, there is no real sign of progress being made. Mourinho’s first season could be seen as a dead cat bounce, as there’s been no silverware since and the FA cup run ended in a pretty pathetic display in the final last season.
If it were me, in charge of the club overall I’d be planning now for a new manager, let them have the rest of this season to assess what needs doing and then back them with as much money as they need. The club is heading towards mid-table anonymity at a rate of knots. Waiting til the end of the season when Mourinho can be disposed of cheaply won’t give the new manager any time to assess what’s needed and will just add unnecessary pressure onto them to meet their contractual performance requirements.
None of us know what is planned behind the scenesor not so we all have to sit tight and wait unfortunately. I like many have written off Utd league season Now, and also arsenal Chelsea and spurs as also rans. Liverpool have a chance to press city for a slip up but it's city's to lose imho
m3sye said:
Genuine question, people talk about cups being the most important thing, would you rather have won nothing under Jose but be say where we are now in the league, or have won the 2 cups you have won and be where you are now?
Cups for me. Winning Trophies means you are forever a part of history. No-one remembers the team that came second place, or almost put the pressure on one year. m3sye said:
Genuine question, people talk about cups being the most important thing, would you rather have won nothing under Jose but be say where we are now in the league, or have won the 2 cups you have won and be where you are now?
You’ve won nothing and have no guarantee of winning anything. We will change manager and I hope, start competing again. So the latter for me. m3sye said:
Genuine question, people talk about cups being the most important thing, would you rather have won nothing under Jose but be say where we are now in the league, or have won the 2 cups you have won and be where you are now?
Given we had never won the old UEFA trophy and how it was won I'm more than happy. The league cup is not really anything major, but it's nice to win and at Wembley. We have no choice in league position. Realistically and if you ignore all the press vultures and hangers on, jose has collected 2 trophies and a runners up spot. You should really be asking other managers also to justify their positions after 3 or more seasons but Jose is a love hate figure and makes himself an easy target. Black can man said:
Anybody else think that Jose’s comment about City playing two friendlies prior to yeasterdays game was a tad disrespectful ?
If those teams were that st, we’d be stuffing them 4 and 5. City destroyed them and made them look like friendlies. So for once, you’re right. IMO. Edited by Alpinestars on Monday 12th November 15:52
graylag said:
And how have they managed that when 10 years ago, they were relegation fodder? They’ve built something, albeit on gifted money, but they’ve attracted the best players and bought well, they haven’t had many flops. However, United have failed miserably with most of their buys across all of the three managers since Ferguson left, arguably the best buyer was LVG.
United should still be able to attract the best players and money seems to be available, albeit not with the endless supply at City. The problem is lack of vision. Why didn’t United get Pep when he left Barca? A deal could easily have been done to succeed Ferguson after his short sabbatical.
At no point have United put up a realistic title challenge in six years (this season is over). That is the big concern and despite last years distant second place, there is no real sign of progress being made. Mourinho’s first season could be seen as a dead cat bounce, as there’s been no silverware since and the FA cup run ended in a pretty pathetic display in the final last season.
If it were me, in charge of the club overall I’d be planning now for a new manager, let them have the rest of this season to assess what needs doing and then back them with as much money as they need. The club is heading towards mid-table anonymity at a rate of knots. Waiting til the end of the season when Mourinho can be disposed of cheaply won’t give the new manager any time to assess what’s needed and will just add unnecessary pressure onto them to meet their contractual performance requirements.
see my previous posts about the bigger issues about United.But city have spent well and done a great job,albeit at the cost of 2 billion plus .Factor in the outrageous sponsorship deals they only get as a result of their owners owning the sponsors then the amount they have invested is truly mindblowing ,not sure anyone can compete with that.United should still be able to attract the best players and money seems to be available, albeit not with the endless supply at City. The problem is lack of vision. Why didn’t United get Pep when he left Barca? A deal could easily have been done to succeed Ferguson after his short sabbatical.
At no point have United put up a realistic title challenge in six years (this season is over). That is the big concern and despite last years distant second place, there is no real sign of progress being made. Mourinho’s first season could be seen as a dead cat bounce, as there’s been no silverware since and the FA cup run ended in a pretty pathetic display in the final last season.
If it were me, in charge of the club overall I’d be planning now for a new manager, let them have the rest of this season to assess what needs doing and then back them with as much money as they need. The club is heading towards mid-table anonymity at a rate of knots. Waiting til the end of the season when Mourinho can be disposed of cheaply won’t give the new manager any time to assess what’s needed and will just add unnecessary pressure onto them to meet their contractual performance requirements.
And yes ,there is a big difference between earning money and being gifted it.
What's that "big difference" then?franki68 said:
see my previous posts about the bigger issues about United.But city have spent well and done a great job,albeit at the cost of 2 billion plus .Factor in the outrageous sponsorship deals they only get as a result of their owners owning the sponsors then the amount they have invested is truly mindblowing ,not sure anyone can compete with that.
And yes ,there is a big difference between earning money and being gifted it.
United have spent a fortune too, not in the same league (pun intended), but certainly far more than the teams battling it out for the top 5. I know they’ve cooked the books significantly, but they still need to spend it well, which they have. They’ve built something that will take a lot of effort to get wrong now, exactly as you say that a monkey could win them the league. And yes ,there is a big difference between earning money and being gifted it.
There is plenty that’s wrong at United. For me Woodward is incapable of running the football side and is too involved in the commercial side still, the Glazers are now starting to suffer for years of underinvestment from about 10 years or so ago. Their income stream will start to dry up soon as well.
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